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Kasz216 on 15 October 2012
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Mr Khan said:
sperrico87 said:
The question isn't whether "global warming" or "climate change" is real, it's whether or not it's man made. That is where the disagreement should be had.

The earth goes through cycles, that is fact. There is a lot of published material from centuries ago where the average recorded temperature was at times much higher than it is today. So what does that all mean? I want the scientists to figure it out, but for the love of God do it without picking liberal or conservative. Tell us the truth without using politics!

97% of scientists are in agreement that it's human-caused. Without knowing a lot of the hard numbers, i would tend to side with them just because the Carbon Cycle has indeed been massively disrupted by human action, taking carbon that should have been consigned to the earth's crust for thousands or millions more years and pumping it all out in the span of about 200 years can't be the best thing.


Those numbers aren't remotely correct.  You are confusing "beleive global warming exists" with "is man made" and further confusing "is caused by humans" with "is caused at least in part by humans."

Furthermore, in general the number that consensus has been based on has shrunk since recent sattelite data has had a hard time finding global warming in atmosphere, which is weird since global warming should be happening quicker there in the ground. 

For the last... 10-15 years or so there hasn't actually been any global warming.  There has when using impercise methods like weather stations... sattelites... not so much.

with the only response really being "It's at the bottom of the ocean."   which coincidentally is the one area nobody can really measure.

There has however been a recent interesting theory that the current lack of a global warming trend has been caused by China, and it's use of coal.  Coal dust, being a global coolant.  

Although this is an alarming note, because if this IS the case, that likely means real global warming is far higher then predicted... meaning we'd likely already be screwed.