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Nem on 14 October 2012
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Jay520 said:
Nem said:
Jay520 said:
Nem said:
Jay520 said:
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

that is all


That is a tricky way of twisting the concept.

Something you cant prove is therefore not proven. If its not proven, it is false until proven otherwise.

God does not exist until someone can prove he does. Just like with everything else. Be is extra-terrestrial life, time travel, paralel universes, etc. God doesnt have the right to special treatment just cause religions people want to believe he exists.


No...if something's not proven, then its just that - not proven. An entity's existence is not dependent upon our ability to to prove its existence.

 

You're assuming the entitiy exists. That isnt proven. If the existance is not proven, then theres nothing to make us believe it exists.


Fine, an entity's existence (or inexistence) is not dependent upon our ability to prove its existence. There were tons of concepts that we could not prove in the past. That doesn't mean those concepts were false. They simply weren't proven. What you're suggesting is that if we can't prove something, then its false. However, the moment we can prove that same thing, then it magically pops into existence. If that were true, then concepts and entities would pop into (and out of) existence constantly. Our reality would be constantly changing. That's not how reality works. Reality is independent to what we can and cannot prove.

Listen, you have to have logic in the chaos. you cant just assume everything exists without knowing about it. Yes, things that we dont know about may exist, but we cant prove they exist until we actually prove it. Until then it isnt true.

Its the same as people saying theres talking humanoid fish races in the milky way. That is a false statement until it can be proven true. Everything in science that cant be proven true is false. The absence of truth is a lie.

If you just assume everything may exist, even what doesnt make any sense, you end up with a very screwed up and unnacurate version of reality. You need to bring order to that. The simplistic way you put it ends up beeing somewhat close to the case, things dont just "pop out into existance"things "pop out into our knowledge". Until we can verify their existance, things dont exist.