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insomniac17 said:
fighter said:


Jay asks why would god organize such a complex tombola to salvation since no proper logic or argument allows to place one religion ahead of others

you reply that there is a logic placing christianity ahead of others without specifying it...

i imagine you must have compared quite some religions to finally come up with such an established position

about the people who didn't choose christianity as their religion and, by your words, will not be saved, are children / handicapped / aborted babies / muslims / jewish / budhhists / atheists / agnostics / pagans / satanists / shintuists / etc. etc. 

and you still get that as logical ?

My friend, there is no logic in your text, and i am not satan trying to push you from your righteous path, nor a jealous person that you might be save and i not.

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that Christianity is the only logical religion, or that it is logical. I'm saying that I believe a requirement for a religion being true is that it must be logical. I am also saying that I am studying the Bible to see for myself if it is logical or not. I have not claimed that it is logical, though I have claimed that it is more logical than many would lead you to believe. I still have problems with it, however.

However, within the context of Christianity, it is perfectly logical to say that only people who believe in Christ will be saved, as that's what the Bible says. I don't see how you can say that is not logical, within the context of the religion. You can argue that the religion itself is wrong, and I have not claimed that it is or is not wrong.

so the fact that every religion assumes their belief is rational doesn't strike as illogical ? they are implicetely denouncing each other... In fact, both christianity and islam have had revisions and scissions, the torah itself has been regulraly re-interpreted... isn't that a logical indicator of their fallaciousness ? How can they pretend to incarnate the word of god and evolve at the same time ? how can they pretend they contain eternal words of an eternal being when in fact they are the language of a specific region at a specific time ? when they contain flawed logic and oxymorons like jesus being both god and a man at the same time...

 

if jesus is a god he didn't suffer as a man

if jesus is a man god is as inaccesible to him as to us

 

 the whole book is full of these absurd dualities :

- god would be one and still "contain" father / son and holy spirit

 

they even missed the correct date for jesus' birth by 70 years...

it's like a very bad novel based on very few facts and a lot of goofyness from semi-cavemen