IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
I clearly wrote that God eventually stopped Abraham from killing his son (and used the phrase "called it off" because that's how Abraham saw it), so why do you keep assuming that I thought he would let him do it? But more importantly: This is not about that. And this is not about what Abraham did- or did not do, it is all about the principle. God didn't want to see Abraham kill his son, but he wanted Abraham to be willing to do so. That is the sick part in all this. God obviously doesn't want to see you burn down a school full of innocent children, but he want you to be willing to do so if he ever told you to. He want you to worship him under any conditions and value him above anything else. In fact you brought it up yourself in your post:
"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me"
He want us to be willing to give up our families in his favor, and he also want us to be willing to commit horrendous crimes if he ever told us to. That is what this thread is about; his unlimited need for worship and attention from all his creations.
And yet, you keep saying that I have reading abilities of a first grader? Get over yourself. |
"I clearly wrote that God eventually stopped Abraham from killing his son (and used the phrase "called it off" because that's how Abraham saw it), so why do you keep assuming that I thought he would let him do it? "
Do you know what call off means? Abraham knew there had to be some catch because he clearly stated he thought God would bring him back to life. I told you to read because I gave ACTUAL quotes.
"Abraham saw an apparent contradiction: (1) God said "kill" Isaac and (2) God said Isaac will have many descendants. Abe drew an obvious conclusion--"God will raise Isaac back to life." The OT passage itself focuses on Abraham's priority loyalty to YHWH--cf. Jesus' words in Matt 10.37: ""Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me". As is standard practice with God, when we 'give up' the good things in our lives to Him, we almost always get them back again with blessings."
"Hebrews 11.17-19
By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 19 [Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead], and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death.- Me before quoting and giving examples disproving your obvious screw up."
Learn to read. Like I said.
OMG LIEK a actual quote saying HE REASONED that his child would be bought back to life? Who should we believe a guy pretending to know what he was thinking or the actual text?
"so why do you keep assuming that I thought he would let him do it? "
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"How does anyone fail to see the sick part in this? We are supposed to put God above all laws and morals, and love him more than anything else. If he tells you to murder your wife and children you better be willing to do so, otherwise you don't deserve to have God's mercy. If you are not willing to blow up a school full of innocent children after God told you to do so, then that's to bad: You don't deserve him."
If you didn't believe God would actual make him kill his son then your conclusion would have been different but your taking the context out so you can somehow support actual killing kids. Good job!
"And this is not about what Abraham did- or did not do, it is all about the principle. God didn't want to see Abraham kill his son, but he wanted Abraham to be willing to do so."
Umm,he wanted to see would he doubt God when it came down to God's own principles in which he showed to Abraham. It was all about testing Abraham doubt because of all the doubting he did eariler which I posted before.
Hebrews 11.17-19
By [faith] Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice.
Faith in biblical times was trust in something based on the evidence. He trusted God because based on what God's has always done for him.
Again read clearly.
"That is the sick part in all this."
You're thinking action instead of intent which I proved already. You're focused on the command and ignoring everything I said that lead to the actual intent.
"God obviously doesn't want to see you burn down a school full of innocent children, but he want you to be willing to do so if he ever told you to. "
Why would he want to based on what? You just say he would ignoring the whole reason behind Abraham and Issac. This is how you can tell you have no clue what your talking about. Do you even know why he only did with one person who was specifically Abraham? I want to respond to this because you seem to know nothing about why this event specifically happened and only getting pieces of it because of me. If you knew the answer the response you made would make sense why it's incoherent. You're obviously way over your head.
"He want you to worship him under any conditions and value him above anything else. In fact you brought it up yourself in your post:"
""Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me""
He is saying trust and him over anyone because obiviously he will not lie to you like he showed.
"As is standard practice with God, when we 'give up' the good things in our lives to Him, we almost always get them back again with blessings."-My previous translation of it [Read]
"worship him under any conditions and value him above anything else" "
Love how you word that in a negative way so it seems like he would command to do something wrong which isn't what God does. For example, this is the only example of him telling someone to do this. Showing again that he isn't interested in doing anything like that. Which proves again you don't have a clue about what your talking about. The value part is an of course you should value God the most there isn't anything wrong with that unless your just complaining that you should value blood over the creator of everything is suppose to be perfect (omni). But if that is a problem then your argument is whining at best.
"He want us to be willing to give up our families in his favor."
The giving up families part should be explained better because I need to know the context of which your speaking. Do you mean if one goes against God that you go with God and not the family member views? Do you mean to kill him them? That's not very specific.
"he also want us to be willing to commit horrendous crimes if he ever told us to."
Umm give example of a crime he wanted us to do? Because he didn't contradict himself when he changed the lamb with his son because the son was perfectly fine. Tell me a example of when he told someone else to do this and kill them? Oh yea you will not find it because it doesn't exist. Your trying pull something out of the orginal context so you make yourself look like he actual desires to want us to do this when it only happen for specific reason. I will into more deatils after you answer that one question I left you.
"That is what this thread is about; his unlimited need for worship and attention from all his creations."
First part debunked. Thread is dead?
Second part: You created everything and life and all you wanted was for your creation to follow your teachings and give worship. That seems like something that isn't to hard or much as millions of people do it everyday without stressing. Seem you just have problems here.
"And yet, you keep saying that I have reading abilities of a first grader? Get over yourself."
Not debatable at this point.
"[Bullshit of epic proportions]"
Ah got to love that you probably ignore everything and went over your head. :)
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