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Slimebeast said:
kitler53 said:
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first off. software sales have declined in equal proportation to the xbox360 software decline from what i've seen.   i'd say psn+ as of now isn't adversly affecting software, we're just at the end of the gen. 

second off.  sony did boast about psn+ profitability.  before this last E3 psn+ only had psn downloadable games as the "free" games.  post E3 we have full retail releases (LBP2, saints row, ect.) in addition to the smaller games.  they very clearly stated (boasted) at that time that it was the success and profitability of psn+ that allowed them to improve the service.  i'm not sure the was much press on it but as an advid follower of ps3 news i remember that bit.

i'm not sure if you are a psn+ service member but i've noted that many of the free games are make free at the same time a new DLC becomes availible.  i can't speak to the overall numbers but i'll wager more than a few people have ended up paying for the DLC to go along with their free game.

Okay, so perhaps it is profitable.

But my point is, what proportions do we have?

What we do know is that MS is charging $40 or $50 from +15 million people for just the possibility to play online. For something that Sony provides for absolutely free. That's essentially $750 million in free money for MS.

Meanwhile we have Sony who gives a lot of valuable stuff in return for the same yearly subscription fee of $40 or $50. And we haven't heard any announcement of how many members PS+ has so it's pretty safe to assume it's a couple of million tops.

So all in all we have MS who get $750 million in free money and Sony who get a couple of measly millions at best from their respective subscription service.

Top: I could be wrong but i was under the impression it is quite a bit more than 15M. 

Bottom:  I have no idea what the actual number is but i'm quite confident to say it is on the rise.  I have around 35 people on my friends list ... well, active friends.  Including myself only 5ish of us jumped on psn+ day-1 and it stayed low all the way until this last E3.  The new psn+ that delivers bigger games.. it's probably closer to 15 of my friends.  ancedocal evidence i know but still... i think the service is growing and i'm pretty sure they've toppled the couple million mark and growing fast.   ...which also depends on what you mean by couple.  if by couple you mean what i take it as (2million) i think it is quite a bit bigger.

..i do wish sony would put some ads out though.  free online and psn+ is completely unknown but non ps3 owners.  i've talked to some of my 360 only friends and they've been A) unaware and B) impressed.  which i guess mean you are essence right, sony isn't getting the returns they shoudl be getting on this service profitable or not.