Who won the debate? Biden or Ryan?

[gergroy]

chocoloco said:

thismeintiel said:

chocoloco said:

thismeintiel said:
 Sure, being aggressive and rude toward your opponent might get your base riled up, but it's not going to help with the Independents (which Obama is already losing) and the undecided voters.

Really, I think you are just stating what you want to believe. Independant since 18 and I will never vote Republican. Just vote for the best option that can win.

The thing that annoys me about debating on this forum is it only has men that tend to be right thinkers instead of left thinkers. I truly wish we had a better pool of thinking that involved more women that are more often left minded.

As for the woman thing, it's true single women often are more left minded.  However, once women get married and start raising children, they usually switch to being more right minded.  Though, among woman overall, the latest poll I saw had Obama and Romney tied.  Of course, since married women are more likely to vote, this is going to give Romney the edge among women in the end.

I do not care about what type of women are in which group. If what you said was true most women voters would vote Republican because most of the average female votersare not a young un-marriedwomen. Most of them are older and married or were married.

If what you said about independants was also true. Romney should be winning the popular vote. As there was a slight edge for Republicans over Dems nathionwide this year, yet Obama still leads the the popular vote in most cases. If most Independants really said they were voting Romney, than Romney should be winning all polls in the popular vote. Not happening.

Nah, if you look at the poll breakdowns, they usually poll a percentage of democrats that is about ten points higher than independents and republicans.  It is true that romney has lead independents since this election started, pretty much.  It just seems like either polling data is skewed or more people just think of themselves as democrats these days.

on that topic, is there a reason you dont think of yourself as a democrat? With such disdain for third party and republican options, it doesnt seem like you are very independently minded...