Who won the debate? Biden or Ryan?

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chocoloco said:

thismeintiel said:
 Sure, being aggressive and rude toward your opponent might get your base riled up, but it's not going to help with the Independents (which Obama is already losing) and the undecided voters.

Really, I think you are just stating what you want to believe. Independant since 18 and I will never vote Republican. Just vote for the best option that can win.

I don't think that actually makes you an independent... so much as a Democrat who doesn't like to be labeled a democrat.

Independents, at least when talking politically in the US are generally seen as people who could vote either way depending.