Who won the debate? Biden or Ryan?

[Kasz216]

theprof00 said:

Kasz216 said:

theprof00 said:

Kasz216 said:

theprof00 said:
Everyone just says "both sucked". What is a good debate then?
In two elections on vgc, I have not seen one debate called "good"

One of the Bush/Kerry debates was good on both sides... i forget which though.

I thought the "Lock box" debate was a good one for Gore/Bush even though Gore later got hammered about it.

It's funny how quickly republicans and democrats switched on that issue.  

 

But what's the qualification of it being good?

Talks about important issues?
THe candidate(s) do(es) really well?
The backdrop?

Mostly the second for me... but really all 3 fit.

The Candidates both did a good job of talking about their vision and articulating their plans while having disagreements over policy issues.

The Democratic Primaries for the 2004 election were like this as well.

Of the four people in the debates so far... the only one who really gave any sort of an idea about what he wanted to do with the presidency was Mitt Romney... and he was sketchy about some of the details.

I guess I see what you mean. I'm not geared toward that specific thing.

I'm guessing it's like studying cinematography. You notice types of shots, rules, balance etc. And then when you see a movie, you can really see what the director was articulating, and how it works with the movie.

That's a good way to put it.

I'd say a good debate is much like two friends argueing about the politics and certain issues.  Polite, but not afraid to take each other to task, agreeing a lot, and both acknowledging they want to do good even if they think the other person is misguided. 

A bad debate, is like two friends argueing about politics after a few bottles of liquor.  This debate was sort of like that.

It's all going to depend on how Biden is taken.

I think it should give Obama a bump.  People say "Nobody likes a bully" but that's actually not true.  Lots of people like bullys.

Bullys are often popular.

 

Ryan could of countered it by being more forceful, but I think he came off kind of meek.  Not unprepaired like Obama... but generally meek and unwilling to challenge things.