Views on Conspiracy Theories?

[Mr Khan]

SamuelRSmith said:

badgenome said:

SamuelRSmith said:

The "governments are too incompetant" rationality. Are they incompetant at their true aims, or just their stated aims? If one can can make the claim that the goal of Government is to increase its power, at all costs... well, we can say that it has done this with extreme competancy. Why can't they run a post office? If they could run a post office, more people like you would believe the conspiracy theories.

But the increasing concentration of power is not a result of any sort of plot, it's just the nature of the beast. The people who get involved with government tend to be the types who feel fit to tell everyone else how to live their lives, so there will never come an occasion when the government will decide that it's not its proper role to get involved in a given situation, and since people are always happy to let others deal with the more bothersome aspects of life, they are perfectly fine with the government grabbing more and more power until it affects them personally in a negative fashion.

Failing to do the most basic of tasks, like living within a budget, doesn't really help their cause of increasing power - even if it also doesn't hurt it nearly as much as it should. So the simplest explanation is the best one: they don't fuck up at things to throw would-be conspiracy theorists off their trail, they fuck up things because they are fuck ups.

Of course, when the treasury collapse comes, it will be because of free markets, and there'll be yet another increase in Government power.

It just reminds me of that little 1-2 you had with Mr. Khan about Obamacare, where he said the aim of it was to fail, to encourage even more Government involvement. You can bet your bottom dollar that was the intention of some of the people who voted for it. Also, have a chat with your neighbourhood friendly socialist, those guys are plotters! They literally plan everything out like this.

There was a book published in out of the Soviet Satellites called "and not a shot was fired", and that was talking about how to institute communism in the Western world without a war. The main steps included Government take over of major industries (financial sector, healthcare, vehicles, anyone?), and destruction of Western civil society - the family unit, religion, local communities.... and what have the results of many Government programs been? Destruction of those things.

Whether through incompetance, or design... Western Governments are following the advice of that book. Down to the letter.

Mostly the liberalizing economy has been responsible for the destruction of those things. Easier mobility of labor means the death of close-knit neighborhoods as people jump from town to town, state to state, country to country, following a career. Similar with the destruction of family beyond a simple unit of cohabitation (the nuclear family), like how my extended family has collapsed as people have grown up and moved away for jobs or to find nice retirement homes.

The decline of religion is a simple figment of progress, and has arguably aided the capitalist cause, because in the absence of spirtuality, money is the easiest thing to believe in.

I don't think that they deliberately set up Obamacare to fail, but what i do believe is that the passage of Obamacare has forced us into a position where we can't go back to how things used to be. Essentially, once you stop insurance companies from being able to discriminate against women or pre-existing conditions, once you force insurance companies to keep children on family plans up through age 26, who amongst the people would disapprove of that? The only thing people seem to hate about Obamacare, really, is the "cuts to Medicare" (which is really about streamlining and cost-saving) and the individual mandate, which is necessary to keep the first thing (non-discrimination) without having costs go through the roof.

Essentially, we're stuck with non-discrimination, because if word gets around that "repealing the affordable care act will mean these people with diabetes or those women who have had cesarian sections will lose their insurance," then the people are going to advocate that non-discrimination remains. But to keep non-discrimination, you NEED to have some sort of government intervention.

Thus we can only move forward here, and once people figure out how good non-discrimination is, there'll be no way to repeal the ACA.