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JazzB1987 on 05 October 2012
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theprof00 said:
ECM said:
JazzB1987 said:
How accurrate is ths? In germany for example only people that are registered as LOOKING FOR A JOB count as unemployed. So if you live under a bridge or on a park bench. You are not counted.

It's basically the same here, which is a big part of the problem.

We only count those looking for a job--if you leave the labor pool, even though you want (but can't find) a job, you don't exist, so this artificially depresses/enhances the numbers even when the economy is doing well, which is why you hear the 10%+ number thrown around often because, alas, it's more accurate than the massaged numbers that work to politicians'--of both parties, depending upon who is ascendant-- advantage and no one else's.

I just don't get why that's such a big deal. Lots of people don't want or care to have jobs. Why should we penalize the potus for people that have no care for that?

Like, when I was in school, I couldn't have a job because if I did, I wouldn't count as a dependent. That would could me in "the real unemployment rate" as someone who isn't employed, which is a negative, but I didn't want a job.


Well let me explain the problem in my country.   So lets say you  finished school. You want to have a break from all the "work" and studying etc.

You can do two things now.

1- You "relax" for a while and at the same time try to find a job that suits you. You can only do this when you DONT register.  You automatically dont count as unemployed and this distorts the image of how many jobs are needed to make everyone that wants a job  get a job. Because the country/state totally ignores you (THIS IS THE PROBLEM here)

Or

2. You go and register at the job center and automatically receive unemployment benefits even if you dont need or want that.  You are forced to show them how much money you own  if you have stocks  if you own a house or apartment list everyone in your household and what their income is etc.  you  how many children you have. 
They want to know everything this is quite annyoing and takes months  because of the stupid bureaucracy. They want you to apply for 30 jobs month or force you to take a job you dont want  like  farmin strawberries  even if you studied psychology or whatever  they totally ignore your skills etc. If your appartment is to big they force you to move into a smaller one and if you dont obey they remove you from the list and stop giving you money. (so there was no point in registering at all LOL)

What they also do is they force you into totally useless vocational preparation programs that just waste your time and because of this they FAKE the unemployment statistics. They delete you from the LOOKING FOR A JOB list because of this.


The whole system is stupid.  Instead of letting me REGISTER as wanting a job without gibing me money or forcing me to do something they terrorize melol


And then there is the problem with homeless etc.  If you dont have a home you are not part of a community and noone is responsible for you. You cannot even register  even if you really want a job. Because you dont belong to a job center that usually registers you.

The country has no idea how many people want jobs and because of this they will never be able to provide enough of them