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SvennoJ on 04 October 2012
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selnor said:
SvennoJ said:
selnor said:
Forza Motorsport 4 is a full on constant 720p native at 60 FPS all the time.

Rage is 720p native on 360 and 60 fps.

I fully expect 1080p @ 60 fps.

Especially wit nextbox sporting 8 core processor, 8 gb ram and a top level 7970 GPU.

Sure Forza and some shooters won't have a problem running at 1080p60.

I don't think most titles will though. Most titles this gen struggle with 720p30. It's a 4.5x increase in pixels per second from 720p30 to 1080p60. That's a 1.5x bigger jump from last gens 640x480 30fps to 720p30 (3x increase in pixel count). Sure with the same engines as this gen it shouldn't be a problem, but I doubt the new engines will be able to maintain 1080p60.


I believe it will.

There was only 4 years between the Xbox 1 nad 360. So tech didnt change as much as it will with the 8 year gap between 360 and nextbox. With bigger advances in tech between consoles I believe Nextbox and possibly PS4 will without a doubt have much increased visuals with 1080p @60fps.

Wii U with be the odd one out. It will probably have less effects and smaller levels at 720p @ 60 fps.

I have believe that nextbox will be fine doing it.

I hope you're right, but there are too many arguments against it.

Price first of all, can't have another loss leading expensive console in this economic climate.
For the nextbox packing in Kinect 2.0 will mean less room for tech elsewhere, and well Sony definitely can't afford another $200 dollar loss per console or launching at $600.

Processor speed has remained pretty much constant, 3.2 ghz is still on the fast side today. More cores are the norm nowadays, yet it takes a lot more effort to optimize the software for multiple cores.

Developers will want to win over gamers again with more detailed graphics and more effects. However it will be more difficult this time, a lot more effort needs to be spend to make a ps2 -> 360 kind of jump again. 720p will be an obvious choice to cram in more effects.

There was 6 years between the ps2 and ps3. The xbox came a bit later and the 360 early. The full potential of the xbox was never really reached, it's a better comparison to take the time between ps2 and ps3. If ps4 launches in 2014 it's only 1.3 times as long as the gap between ps2 and ps3, while the required resolution jump is 1.5x as that between ps2 and ps3.

1080p30 or 720p60 is what we're going to get. 1080p60 in some racing games and a few shooters, It won't be the norm.
Xbla should do fine at 1080p60, heck maybe we'll get a few 2160p30 arcade games too. Yet looking at what all the next gen engines are promising already I don't believe we'll get 1080p60 AAA games just yet. I hope I'm wrong, I love 1080p60, and hate unnecassary effects.