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pokoko on 30 September 2012
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thranx said:
pokoko said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
FrancisNobleman said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
FrancisNobleman said:
If you put rod'd and ylod'd consoles that had to be replaced but also counted as shipped numbers, ps3 is already ahead.


Meh.. heard that a million times actually...

And you can hear it a million times more, doesn't make it fake.

Just think about the sheer number of RoD'd 360 consoles against the PS3 ylod'd and then subtract from sales.

hint: for 360, your number is something between 10 and 15 million units.

I know but people dont really have numbers for it do they? Which makes it more of a myth than a fact...

I've seen it written that the PS3's installed base has passed that of the 360.  If that's true, then the 360's high failure rate would have to be the cause.  There is no other reason why it would have sold more units yet have less active consoles.  Still, the installed base was virtually tied, so the difference in dead/unreplaced 360s compared to dead/unreplaced PS3s would seem to be between 1 and 2m.  That means a higher number of 360s are replacements purchased at the owner's expense, but you also have to assume that some of those dead 360s were replaced with a PS3 and/or a Wii, instead.  The RRoD fiasco didn't just cost Microsoft upwards of a billion dollars, it also cost them market-share.  Fanboys might care about total units sold, without context, but I have no doubt Microsoft would rather have finished in "3rd place" rather than have had the RRoD event take place.

I highly doubt that. It was their early lead in console sales and a year head start that secured them many  3rd party games which is what helped them gain market share. Had they not released a year ahead of sony that would not of happened and this would be a very different gen. If anything the RRoD only really hurt them in Japan where quality is really important in electronics. In the US it didn't really matter as qualtiy is not as important as price and with the 3 year warranty it didn't really matter if yours broke as you could get it replaced.

I'm not talking about when they launched, I'm talking about total number of units sold.  If RRoD had never happened then it would not have impacted sales in the first couple of years much at all.  They already had a good start by the time people really became aware of a manufacturing problem.

It would appear, because of the disparity between consoles sold and active consoles, that a lot of people bought their own replacements.  Why, I don't know, though I would bet that a significant number simply assumed their 360 was out of warranty.  If not that, then possibly a lot of consoles died after their warranty expired.  In both cases, the boost to console sales would have been at least three years after the 360 debuted.  In that case, RRoD being a thing would not have impacted the 360's early lead at all, only the cumulative total.

I would love to know how many people have bought replacement 360s out of their own pocket.  Regardless, we can still assume that it's a much higher rate than the other consoles.  My point was simply that Microsoft would rather RRoD not have happened than to have sold a few hundered thousand extra replacement consoles.