| ninetailschris said:
How doesn't he know? What doesn't it know your just saying he doesn't know x without any reasoning it just seems to be claiming without telling us why. Just saying he doesn't know x doesn't mean he doesn't know x just means you think he doesn't without an actual argument.Seems like the argument falls on you to tells us what this unknown is without exposing our non-omniscient mind. Again the defintion tells us he knows everything and you tells us nothing he can't know. You just say he can't know this "unknown" without explaining this unknown besides something made in the mind and not in reality. This unknown your speaking of doesn't exist outside of your mind if we don't know this unknown based on human mind. This whole argument is based on limited mind vs omniscient and by very defintion something you think would be unknown wouldn't be for omniscient. You would have to downplay omniscients for this to work like he can only know what is humanly possible. But it's not so the argument falls apart. There is no reason to think omniscient is false if you take away it's properties. It's a straw man basically. |
It doesn't matter if there really is something He doesn't know. The point is He doesn't know if there is something He doesn't know. He may think he knows everything. But He has no way of knowing He knows everything. No being can know what lays beyond His realm of knowledge. I'm not sayying there is something beyond His realm of knowledge. I'm saying He doesn't know if there is something beyond His realm of knowledge. He cannot prove to Himself that there is nothing He doesn't know.
For all He knows, there are dozens of facts He doesn't know. He just doesn't know he doesn't know because...He doesn't know about them. Do all he facts really exists. No being can know. That's the point.
A being may think he's omniscient. But that's only based on His own knowledge - and a being cannot know if His knowledge covers everything that exists. And no, you cannot say He knows everything because He knows everything. That claim is based on the presumption that the being really does know everything, which is impossible to prove.
Again, I'm not asserting that there IS something that exists ouside of an omniscients's mind. I'm asserting that an omniscient cannot know IF there is something which exists outside of His mind. It cannot know if there are things it does not know. And it's illogical for a being to use His knowledge to determine if He knows everything, because He doesn't know if His knowledge is infinite to begin with.
P.S. You don't have to re-quote my entire post. That's the point of quoting in the first place.
