Can a being know if It knows everything?

[ninetailschris]

Jay520 said:

ninetailschris said:

The argument falls when you you make the argument that assumes he doesn't know x at all. This goes against the very definition omniscient. There is no argument to assume he doesn't know anything and seems to be very circular coming from your mind and not actual reality of the definition.

If I knew everything it would be incoherent to say that I don't know something.

It's like saying is possible to eat 5 if you can't eat 5 then you can't eat everything.

But it cannot know if it doesn't know. No being can know if there exists things which it doesn't know.

"But it cannot know if it doesn't know"

How do you know "it" doesn't know? And if explained why would some that was knew everything not know it just seems like a claim. I are we assuming he can't know something based on the human limited mind or something omniscient because by defintion he would know it even if you think he couldn't be he would.

"But it cannot know if it doesn't know"

How doesn't he know? What doesn't it know your just saying he doesn't know x without any reasoning it just seems to be claiming without telling us why. Just saying he doesn't know x doesn't mean he doesn't know x just means you think he doesn't without an actual argument.Seems like the argument falls on you to tells us what this unknown is  without exposing our non-omniscient mind.

Again the defintion tells us he knows everything and you tells us nothing he can't know. You just say he can't know this "unknown" without explaining this unknown besides something made in the mind and not in reality. This unknown your speaking of doesn't exist outside of your mind if we don't know this unknown based on human mind. This whole argument is based on limited mind vs omniscient and by very defintion something you think would be unknown wouldn't be for omniscient. You would have to downplay omniscients for this to work like he can only know what is humanly possible. But it's not so the argument falls apart. There is no reason to think omniscient is false if you take away it's properties. It's a straw man basically.