Romney doesn't care about 47% of americans

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kaneada said:

1) I'm not sure what you're getting at here. If you mean that moderate people apply it more effectively, you're probably right, but there has been a huge surge in abstinance education over the last serveral years. Some of those practices flat out discount methods of birthcontrol as being effective and condemn others. These women are the most likely to contribute to the welfare problem in this society.

2)You can't blame the government for the ignorance of its children. That is an educational failure that is more on the parents than on the system itself. While I maintain that cultural and religous influence play huge parts here, those are communal and not established by the our state and or federal government. Essentially, you're argument only strengthens mine.

3)Where were we discussing divorce rates in this? This is about contraceptives and female choice.

4)What does it matter? Once again this discussion is about female choice and contraceptives, marriage is not a factor here. The only thing I aimed to show here was that people who are not properly educated on contraception or who are told its taboo (huge in the Catholic church) tend to have more kids they can't afford and that the cost per child is more expensive from a welfare perspective then providing contraception. Actually I would say that these married familes might actually be doing more damage then single women.

Also you're still not demonstrating how contraception eliminates consequences...people who use contraception properly don't have kids, and have about the same, if not lower rate, of STD's...As it stands (given details of my sexual history above) I've not so much as had a case of the crabs in the 16 years or so I've been sexually active. I can verify this too because when I was not married, I had myself tested on a regular basis...

If anything you are demonstrating that contraception and education are effective tools. Healthy sexual actiivity also has many demonstrated postive effects as well, which are well documented...

P.S. Out of my many partners over the years...I've yet to cheat on anyone.

You're making the assumption that I'm against birth control or sex education, I'm actually for both. Being that using multiple forms of birth control can cost less than $1 a day for most people I'm against the government paying for it, and I believe that sex education should encourage people who are in a position where they can't "afford" to have children to abstain.

Where the government subsidizes poor decisions is by enforcing discriminatory child support laws and by paying welfare to single mothers. There was a recent news story of a ex-con who fathered 30 children with 11 different women who were all on welfare. The reason this kind of situation can exist is because the government has gotten involved with eliminating the risk of making poor decisions. If these women had to work, or were forced to live with relatives because they were unwilling or unable to work, it is likely that they would have never had children with this man; and even if they did it is likely that they would have had no more than 1.