Romney doesn't care about 47% of americans

[kaneada]

HappySqurriel said:

kaneada said:

1) Yeah and has religious indoctrination and education rates been tested against that? Availablity of birthcontrol does not mean that women have been educated on its existence, proper use, or that the education they recieved teaches that birth control is effective. Also consider the steep incline in population since the 1960's...that is going to inflate that number of 'poor choices.'

2) I lived in a primarily rural area for 14 years. I can tell you most of my friends were preganant before they left high school. None of them on birth control, most of them because their familes were either A) poor, B) highly religous and against birth control and or, C) completely unapproachable about sex and its reprecutions. Even worse, half were married before they could even go to college. Despite the non-availablity (either from lack of money or denial of permission) these women were still having sex and producing children they could not afford. So a good percetage of that number can be attributed to ignorance and or education.

3) Now you want to talk about me and my wife, both of which have had multiple sexual partners (mine being right around 20 and hers being damn near 100) both practicing safe sex either through use of condoms, birth control...I'm 31, she's 27, there are no children between us either from previous sexual relationships or the current ones...Now living in a major metropolitan area, most of the working professionals are around my age or younger...most don't have kids or if they do they were planned. Most of the girls are highly sexual and do not have comitted relationships. The reason? They simply don't have time, they are too busy working, but becuase sex is pleasureable, so they have their 'friends', a very loose term for whoever is cute, decent in bed, and they met at club wherever.

4) Get out of town a little bit (about 20 miles west) its an area high concentrated by Mexican familes, of which have meager incomes, non-skilled workers, who are mostly catholic...every single one of them have kids (between 3-5 on average.) Point being, your statistics may be accurate, but either they don't or you aren't addressing all the factors which may be because you didn't consider them or because you don't want to consider them.

Correlation is not causation.

1) I'm certain that more people are using birth control effectively today than before birth control was widely available. Beyond that, the vast majority of statistics are controlled for population growth and are done as a percentage or a rate per 100000.

2) Ignorance plays a big part of it, but it could be argued that these young girls (and young boys) are ignorant of the consequences of their actions. I'm certain that in the 1940s few daughters were told that sex is no big deal ...

3) There have been several studies done on the relationship between the number of pre-marital sexual partners and divorce rates and there is a direct correlation between the two. From what I remember (off the top of my head) if one partner had 20 or more sexual partners the divorce rate is (something like) 80% after 10 years. The most often cited reason for this is infidelity ...

4) How many of those Mexican families have children to unwed mothers?

 

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have pre-marital sex, but the elimination of consequences for poor decisions to encourage treating sex as a recreational activity has many demonstrated negative consequences. Diseases that were once relatively well controlled (like syphilis) are becomming drug resistent because the is a growing population of morons who believe that there are no consequences for (often unprotected) sex with strangers

https://www.google.ca/search?q=drug+resistance+syphilis

1) I'm not sure what you're getting at here. If you mean that moderate people apply it more effectively, you're probably right, but there has been a huge surge in abstinance education over the last serveral years. Some of those practices flat out discount methods of birthcontrol as being effective and condemn others. These women are the most likely to contribute to the welfare problem in this society.

2)You can't blame the government for the ignorance of its children. That is an educational failure that is more on the parents than on the system itself. While I maintain that cultural and religous influence play huge parts here, those are communal and not established by the our state and or federal government. Essentially, you're argument only strengthens mine.

3)Where were we discussing divorce rates in this? This is about contraceptives and female choice.

4)What does it matter? Once again this discussion is about female choice and contraceptives, marriage is not a factor here. The only thing I aimed to show here was that people who are not properly educated on contraception or who are told its taboo (huge in the Catholic church) tend to have more kids they can't afford and that the cost per child is more expensive from a welfare perspective then providing contraception. Actually I would say that these married familes might actually be doing more damage then single women.

Also you're still not demonstrating how contraception eliminates consequences...people who use contraception properly don't have kids, and have about the same, if not lower rate, of STD's...As it stands (given details of my sexual history above) I've not so much as had a case of the crabs in the 16 years or so I've been sexually active. I can verify this too because when I was not married, I had myself tested on a regular basis...

If anything you are demonstrating that contraception and education are effective tools. Healthy sexual actiivity also has many demonstrated postive effects as well, which are well documented...

P.S. Out of my many partners over the years...I've yet to cheat on anyone.