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richardhutnik on 19 September 2012
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Slimebeast said:
richardhutnik said:
Slimebeast said:
I don't exactly understand your point, Richard. You are addressing something quite obvious I believe. Yes, you are correct in that core gamers in general don't understand casual gamers, and vice versa. And yes, there is contempt and elitism displayed by core gamers towards casuals.

I was trying to get a proper frame of mind here, when I am reading posts where you see some regular gamers make out people who don't have games as a hobby (but will dabble with sometime) as almost an entirely different species, if not ethic group or race.  I ask this, because I remember the "back in my day" when you had arcades, coin-ops had to have some appeal in being accessible to new players to get them in, but also ramp up the challenge.  There was not some sort of divide, just videogames being games.

Yeah, good point about the coin-ops. But today is a different market, it's so widespread where you target games to entirely different demografix, with everything from the extreme casual to extremely complex and niche strategy games.

I loved the coin-ops. I played them all in the 80's. Do you play on Mame?

The kicker today though, and it is what I get on the videogames industry about, is that the budgets are so large, and the risks so big, that you end up having the industry playing it safe with what works, and studio after studio, going bankrupt trying to make an FPS or so on.   What ends up missing is big budget, with great production values, and new.  No one wants to risk it.  Back in the arcade days, that is what was done, and you had them having to do new.  Even if a game was like a top game, it because a genre, and did things different.  Compare that to what everyone is trying to do with FPS.  It is all everyone as Wolverine, and set in grey worlds, on the Unreal Engine.

As far as old stuff and emulators, I end up trying to have every legally to own emulator I can, to play above board (I own older platforms as a result).  I do play with them, and have played around with MAME also, to check out stuff.  I also have the CADERS group which is now on Facebook, dedicated to forms of play that are older, even if in new content.  So it brings together casual and retro gaming.  The community comes out of people who had been into Game Room.  I also picked up a portion of players who have played Pinball FX2.  It came from seeing what people into Game Room wanted as far as things to do, plus an interest I had in having a more general gaming group than what I had with IAGO (abstract strategy games).  One big thing with CADERS, is what I call a "PGA for Pacman".  I would like to organize retro style play (include likes of Geometry Wars) into esports.  Also would like to get hardcore players together into what is deemed "casual" games and organize tournaments in that.