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[DaRev]

Scoobes said:

DaRev said:

I like the way you dealt with that. I find that people in here are like race horses with blinders on, and as they pic up on a particular point, they go speeding down the track blindly, unable to see  or think about anything that is not right in front of them. I find that people in here, or at least in relation to this toopic, have their blinders on, and can't imagine how particular rules in Biblical times worked for that time ONLY. They try to apply rules meant for a particular time to the time we live in now, and they think they are cleavery for doing this. But God through Jesus already noted that rules change over time, but the underlaying priciples of (1) love God and (2) love your follow man, these two trumps all, for example, Jesus in updating old rules said:

So. I don't think people can just take an old rule regarding rape and apply it trough out time. The only rules that God made that you apply thoughout time are as I quoted before (1) Love God and (2) Love your fellow man. So if these people in here would take their blinder off they would see that the rule regarding rape was meant to protect the woman, as women in those times weren't the IDNIPENDENT WOMAN of today.

@ bolded 1

You're basically admitting that large sections of the material in the bible is now morally useless which is essentially the point some of us were trying to make. If the rules have to relate to the time period then how can you look to a book nearly 2000 years old (well, older actually as we're talking about the old testament) for moral guidance?

@ bolded 2

That's your interpretation of the bible, but many different people can interpret the text in different ways. These varied interpretations have even lead to war in a number of extreme cases. As I tried to point out earlier in the thread, there is so much content in the bible that you can interpret and pick out passages to fit your own personal bias.

@ Bolded 1

No, I'm admitting that large sections of the bible were updated for good reason. Christians don't believe that the Old Testiment is irrelivant, if that's what you're getting at. So for example the rule that thou shall not steal, eventhough it was given thousands of years ago, is still relivant today. Rules however like removing yourself from the camp at the sign of infection or disease were good for that time when there were no modern medicines and the simplest disease could spread rapidly. But today you would just go see a doctor.

So I don't think you can generalise and say that large sections of the Bible are irrelivant because they've been updated. God told Noah to build a boat essentially out of wood, but I'm sure if God told you build a boat today it would be out of steel and metal. But does that make the story of Noah irrelivant? No, because there are strong fundametal teaching in that story that apply today as well, for example, being obediant to good, eventhough it seems crazy. Also, as a side note, one way the bible proves its authenticity is by display the large amount of Historical fact it contains, regarless of how relevant moder society finds those facts.

@ Bolded 2

I agree that the bible can be used for all manner of evil, like if you just read, 'an eye for an eye', which was a rule for a time and a certain (stuburn) people. Jesus later said from now on you should 'turn the other cheek'. In any event, there is always one true way, I think, of knowing whether what someone is doing, thinking or saying is in line with God, by consiering whether it amounts to (1) Loving God and (2) Loving your fellow man. I think it is safe to say that if human actions fail either of these tests, it is not of God or the Bible, or Jesus and is not Christian.