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[richardhutnik]

Jay520 said:

richardhutnik said:

If you want to end up making this about the Christian religion, then show where in line with what Jesus said, and New Testament texts say, that there is allowing rape?  If the ideal is waiting until one is married for sex, and that, where the heck do you fit in rape?  Can you make out anywhere, where rape would end up being an acceptable practice by a Christian?  If not, then why are you even arguing this point?  I don't see the Bible saying anything about software piracy either, so that means Jesus condones it?

If you want to take the Christian religion, and people having Jesus as their Lord/Boss/superior, they respond to, and the idea is people do this genuinely, then show your understanding of what the Christian faith DOES say about how individuals are to live, if they are Christians, and what they are to strive for.  Focus on what is there, not what is permitted, condoned, etc....

Software piracy is acknowledged because it's a form of stealing. And stealing prohibited in the Bible.

But anyway, raping and software piracy are different. Software piracy isn't directly mentioned. But raping (and slavery) is directly acknowledged several times in the bible. Yet there are no rules placed against it. There are rules on what to do after one rapes someone. But nothing is set in place which says 'do not rape' That's what condoning means - to overlook behavior that is considered wrong. You don't have to enourage something; the fact that an act is seen but is overlooked is what condoning means.

If the Bible never mentioned rape, then I wouldn't be able to what the Bible's stance on religion is. But it does acknowledge it, directly. And considering it's the word of God, I would expect something that says it's wrong. 

But instead, the Bible says that if you rape a woman, then there are rules in place for you. And that rule is to marry the victim. So if you follow those rules, then you're morally good. Therefore, a person can rape a woman, and as long as he marries the woman, then he is morally good. I'll leave it up to you to decide if that's truly right or wrong.

The Bible also makes mention of divorce.  Does the fact it does mean God approves of divorce?   Just because they are rules doesn't mean the conduct under those rules are approved.

And just so long as you give letter of divorce to a woman, that means the divorce is ok?  In no way do you argue that just because some law is written on a subject to address an issue, that means that God approves of something.  It doesn't mean you are morally good either.  

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19&version=NIV

Matthew 19

New International Version (NIV)

Divorce

19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. ² Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

³ Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

⁴ “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’^[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’^[b]? ⁶ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

⁷ “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

⁸ Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. ⁹ I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

¹⁰ The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

¹¹ Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.¹² For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”