Kasz216 said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Kasz216 said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Crono141 said:
Why is FF6 better than 7?
Better Story, Better Characters, More expressive characters, more emotion, better art, better atmosphere, better music, better villain, better overworld, bigger overworld, more personality, better pacing, less linear. Also, its much more a traditional fantasy universe (with steampunk/magipunk elements), where FF7 is the first game to jump into a quasi modern "we have guns, but everybody still fights with swords anyway" universe.
FF7 had pretty FMVs, and it had great moments as well. I'm not knocking the masterpiece that is FF7. But FF6 is a better game all around.
Is it a question of taste? Of course. YMMV. I just think FF6 had a lot more going for it. |
Better Characters? In what way? I can seriously only think of one character even worth talking about from VI and that was Terra....and as far as characters go she is probably the worst main protaganist in the entire series. She is weak willed, timid, self doubting and a total damsel in distress for more than half of the game. Almost every JRPG fan can name the entire cast from VII even without loving all of them.
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FF6... really doesn't have a single protaganist. Though if you have to pinpoint one, really Celes or Locke fit better.
As for villian motivations.... what was Sephy's big motviation again that didn't make him a cookie cutter villian? Kefka's motives are actually pretty great if you pay attention. He's an extremely selfish nihilist.
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I played FFVI, after VII, but I did indeed play it. I enjoyed what I did play but to me it pales pretty epically in comparison to what came in the PS1-2 days. I am a person who enjoys great graphics but my opinion has never been dependant on them. I LOVE Chrono Trigger and can stand beside it being one of the greatest games of all time. But VI? No...
The Characters of VI seemed to be thrown in a pot of whatever SE thought would be cool (See Vincent and Yuffie in VII). The whole lot of them were characatures of just that. Their plots never really touched me at all as the whole game felt pretty comical to me(In comparison to VII's ability to have comical moments but then turn serious). This could not be helped with the super goofy villain that is Kefka, the poor man's version of the Joker.
On the other hand, each character in VII had distinctive personality flaws that are worked on and explored as the game goes on.
Cloud:A nobody with dreams of being great but comes to the rude realization that he is just average but hides behind a facade of narcisism to give the appearance he is as great as he wants everyone to think he is.
Tifa: Dreamy eyed female best friend from Cloud's childhood who was always pretty popular but doesn't come to realize what she could of had until it is already gone.
Aeris/th: a flower girl who could see into the eyes of the lifestream, knowing what she must do she faces it head on without hesitation. One can even say in a Jesus like sacrificial way. She imbeds herself in the party and somehow becomes this rock that helps make them all stronger.
Barrett: hard working avg guy, but with strong ideals and sense of what is right.
RedXIII: the lion hearted animal going through a rebelious phase but he has been kept from the truth.
Cid: wallowing drunkard who had big dreams but comes to grips of it's impossibility in spite himself.
Cait Sith:A comic relief character but even within that he has depth. He is secretly one of the bad guys who uses this robot as a guise to help you because he no longer feels comfortable doing what he knows is wrong.
Kefka has no decisive reasoning to do what he does. Selfishness as a motivation would imply a "Mine!" personality but that is not him. He is simply put "I HATE! I HATE!" and it never goes any deeper. Sephiroth is not a complete departure from villainy norms but he still stands out a lot better than Kefka. Sephiroth had an almost religious like devotion to the alien parasite known as Jenova. With such a crazy level of adoration you have to give him props for being so devoted to the cause.
Once again, I know it is all opinion but I just can't shake that feeling VI is just cheap ammo against the armies of "FFVII fans". I mean really, FFVII defined a generation of gaming. VI never had any such impact on anything.
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Yeah.. except almost none of them actually had any character development... the difference between what you posted and what I did was that you gave out character descriptions mostly, while I mentioned character development. There is a pretty big difference. Pretty much only cloud gets any real character development... and even that doesn't really change his situation or personality, it just changes what we know about him.
Again it's selfish nihilism.
and... I'm not sure how much japanese stuff you watch/read, but Sepiroth is as cookie cutter as it gets...
Although, if you think Kefka has no motivation (Which he does, but lets put that aside.)
Which Batman villian is the best again? What is there defining feature?
As for what selfish Nihilism is, this might give you a hint.
"Why do people insist on creating things that will inevitably be destroyed? Why do people cling to life, knowing that they must someday die? ...Knowing that none of it will have meant anything once they do?"
That spells out Kefka's selfish nihilism pretty well... it's actually a fairly unique reason.
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I dislike Kafka. He wants to destroy everything for his own pleasure, even in Dissidia.. Really annoying.
Going ofF topic but I want to make this point before I bounce. Why FF7 series is held higher than most other FF games is because of all the side story you can do that wasn't part of the main game but were optional challenges. Keep in mind I'm talking about the series as a whole.
In the original game we have these memorable aspects.
-There are two optional characters you can get, also if you do get them they have their own side stories. (character development)
-Want to raise chocobos? You can get a gold one and find knights of the round
-you like fighting tough bosses? You got two weapons to kill
-mini-games and challenge battles? Gold Saucer, and get Cloud final limit break, Omnislash
-you just want to play the story? You can ignore the above and beat Sephiroth
-you like tower defense games? Junon Mako reactor. Protect the Phoenix. Reward = Phoenix materia.
-Want to customize your characters? play around with different combinations of materia, and add the magic/skills/traits you want them to have.
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Then we have FFVII Dirge of Cerberus - With Vincent as main protagonist. We go even further into his development and the history of Shinra.
Crisis Core - Zack story, the origin of the Buster Blade. Why Sephiroth did what he did.. not going to spoil it but I'll say this much. This chapter is also when Cloud met Zack.
Before Crisis - Never played it unfortunately.
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FFVII by itself is an awesome game, but to enjoy and appreciate the whole story you've got to play them all. But, If you don't like the story then you have the right to have your own personal taste. --
