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Mnementh said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Which... i've given several reasons why that wasn't true... which you've passed over twice now...

 

Again Economic policy.  Sexism and Racism laws.  Immigration law and  Various Anti-muslim laws against europe (headscarf ban, minaret ban),  Anti Roma laws.  To name a few.

Sorry, didn't wanted to ignore you.

Economy is basically the same for all. European conservatives and social democrats (our "rights" and "lefts" in the center, we have also far rights and far lefts) and the american Democrats and Republicans all do raise taxes and lower other, all raise government spending in some areas and cut it in others. The difference is mainly which taxes are raised or lowered or which spending is changed, but the impact overall is low. All of them want to keep the current model of economy - and that is a good thing in my book. But on this area are no big difference, although they try to claim that the other side will destroy the economy - bla bla bla.

Sexism and racism - I'm not sure about that. Yes, immigration laws are from time to time in discussion. But the differences are here not big at all between the conservatives and social democrats. I don't know what do you mean with sexism laws. Currently we have a discussion here in germany between two female ministers - both are in the conservative party. One want to introduce a quota for women in management, the other want to introduce a quota for women in management, but keep it voluntary. Remember, both are in the conservative party that has the government at the moment here in germany. So they tend in a direction, that probably would be considered democratic in the USA.

The big anti-muslim debate in germany (and yes we have one) is mainly dominated by nationalistic parties (all very small) and a member of the social democrats (our left party).

Anti-roma-laws are not a political matter here in germany, but in France and eastern europe. I don't know for eastern europe, which part of the political spectrum takes which side. In France had Sarkozy (political right) a strong hand against Roma. And Hollande, the new left president of France? Well, in August multiple Roma-settlements were evicted and hundreds of Roma deportated to Bulgaria and Romania. I don't see a real change from Sarkozy.

As a court here in germany decided, that circumcision of a son of muslim parents was actually bodily injury the members of all big parties (except the left party, that are left-left in our political spectrum) joined to make a law that allows circumcision for religious reasons. Is that left or right politics? I don't know.

So, I don't agree. As a european and especially a german I think the democrats would be counted here from most people as conservative/right party and the republicans as nationalistic/far-right party. This is because they are against abortion, in favor of death penalty (completely banned in the whole european union) and against public health insurance (one of the pillars of social market economy, the main political mantra of germany). Such a party like the american Republicans would therefore be seen as backwards for most people (although surely people exists, that agree with them).

That differentiation between left and right is problematic anyways, as many things cannot be simply said are "left" or "right" politics.


Just like you mentioned about muslims and such with France.  Those are all pretty much French issues I was talking about in specific.  Outside economics, which Germany is much more fiscally conservative then just about any country in the world.  Their version of Monetism, or I should say yours, being heavily influenced by the Frieberg School of economics.  Germany is very anti-stimulus... as you are no dount aware.

If you want another specific Rightwing policy for Germany... Germany has no minium wage.   If your in a union sweet sure you get stuff negotiated for you... if not... the lack of minium wage means even workers need welfare.

Such a system would be seen as too rightwing for even pretty far rightwing republicans to touch.  Only specific diehard hayekians would dare propose such a sitaution.

 

Though back to France.. they tend to be very sexist, very racist, and well, still deporting Romas as we speak still illegally... but the EU just has to tiptoe because it's one of their "Major" members.  All this under their "Leftwing party".

Either party from France would be seen as rightwing due to their refusal to allow people to study racial and sexual problems, there HUGE problems with sexism, and there weird aversion to even thinking of charging the powerful with crimes.



The problem is, you are using specific things europeon states agree on as your basis.  While ignoreing the many rightwing things that some agree on... and some don't.