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Kasz216 on 23 August 2012
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justinian said:
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justinian said:
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Maybe Russia hasn't changed but the USA sure has.

Half of you point a finger at Putin whilst ignoring the US stance on Assange.

Did Assange not exercise his right to freedom of speech and expression just like Pussy Riot?

All the made up crap about him putting lives at risk is turning out to be just that, crap.

If Russia or China did a Guantanamo The UN would be up in arms.

Hypocrisy on all levels.

The stance that rapists should see trial?

Outside that there isn't any offical stance on Assange.

1) The man is ACCUSED of rape in Sweden. Could be fabricated rubbish claims or could be true. You don't know.

2) What are you talking about? The USA want's Assange extradiated from the UK not for being accused of rape but for "spying", which carry a death penalty.


1) Any claims could be fabricated rubish claims, I don't see your point.  He should stand trial, and the evidence seems VERY strong.

2) Untrue.  There are no extradision claims for Assange to the US.

Furthermore, the claim that they are waiting for him to be transfered to sweden is the DEFINITION of fabricated rubbish claims because the United States has a stronger extradition treaty with the UK then it does Sweeden.

If the US wanted him extradited.  He would of already been extradited.

"The evidence against Assange is very strong". Funny that, a whole lot of lawyers in Europe don't think that way but you are entitled to your opinion. He won't stand trial because of extradition to the US fears. The Swedish government have given him no guarantees. They can't because they know the US wants him contrary to what the US tell the public. Why can't the Swedish govenrmnet simply say "come back, face charges and we won't extradite you"?

The evidence that the US wants Assange was revealed the same way that all the other stuff on wikileaks was leaked. All the other stuff so far seem to be true so why not this? Just because the US publically deny they don't want him doesn't make it so.

Why would Sweden make a statemnet saying they would not extradite him to the US if faced with the death penalty if all this US extradition talk is nonsense?

Euro law states that if a person faces the death penalty they do not have to extradite him to the USA so your claim of "If the US wanted him extradited.  He would of already been extradited" is ... not factual.


Actually, the only lawyers i've seen not think the evidence was strong... was his lawyers.   Have you read the Swedish police reports?

Why would Sweden say that they wouldn't extradite him if faced with the death penalty if all this US extradition talk is nonsense?

Because he keeps using extradition to the US as a boogey man excuse to flee rape charges.  Obviously.

 

Either way, your entire arguement is full of illogical nonsense that disagrees with itself.   Let's examine your claims shall we? 

We'll only do one in this post so as to not miss anything.

Contradiction 1: A) Assange was in the UK, NOT to avoid his rape charges with both testimony and physical evidence.   But to avoid extradition to the USA under the death penalty.

B)Assange couldn't be extradited to the USA because under Euro law, you can't be extradited to face the death penalty.

Conclusion -  If  B is true, then A is false.     If A is true, and then B is false, it doesn't make any sense for him to flee to the UK, which has a MUCH stronger relationship with the USA... and MUCH stronger extradition treaty.

 

Since dropping of the death penalty is the big stopper here... and it's a uniform stopper in both the UK and the Sweden...

Why wouldn't the US request extradition on gurantee that they wouldn't give him the death penalty?  They aren't getting him either way, and in the UK to be extradited it has to be proven he has been involved in something that may break US law

While the Swedish extradition treaty requires the US show he may of done something that broke Swedeish law.

 


Also...

 

"The Swedish government has said through its ambassador in Australia that they won't extradite in circumstances that involve intelligence or the military. That they won't extradite where there is no comparable offence in Swedish law, and where there's a capital offence involved. I believe that the government of neutral, democratic, Sweden, a liberal democracy, is not part of some fully blown CIA conspiracy."

In otherwords, there is zero chance he will be extradited to the US from Sweden.