ninetailschris said:
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kain_kusanagi said:
Really? Not only are you exaggerating, but you aren't looking at it from the right perspective. If unborn babies are humans then killing them is murder. The US government outlaws murder for obvious reasons. Welfare has nothing to do with the outlaw of killing. Your argument is pure straw man. |
The argument has to be do with calling oneself "pro-life". How can you argue the scenario I described is anything pro-life at all? Welfare has to do with the case of being a party of life, which is what the GOP claims.
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Good grief man. Let's forget for one second that most republicans are conservatives and conservatives prefer to donate to charities rather than pay taxes that go to wasteful welfare programs. Let's forget about that for one sec ok. Oh and while we are at it let's forget that what the republican party wants is to stop public money from being used for abortion more than an outright ban on all reasons for abortion. Ok so we've forgotten about all that. Now lets' talk about the government's role. It is supposed to uphold the constitution, protect our borders, and enforce the law. None of that has anything to do with abortion/healthcare or welfare.
None of us have a god given right to be taken care of by the government nor do we have a god given right to a free abortion paid for by people who don't like abortion. That's the rub man. People don't want their money going to something they consider to be the murder of babies. They would rather give their money to charities that do a better job of helping people in need then the government does. Ok, you can remember that other stuff now.
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Find me a charity or group of charities that can provide a social safety net as comprehensively and equitably as government.
Leaving things up to charities is far too YMMV, as it can vary wildly based on location, not to mention charities can (not saying they do in any significant numbers, just that they can) discriminate based on lifestyle, race, and so on.
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The catholic church. Is the best in my opinion, but alomst any church i know of will help people in need. Wether they are christians helping jews/muslims or vice versa.
Also the government socail net is not that great. Since they have stepped in i believe poverty has gotten worse not better. So if anything its best left in the hands of private charities. I believe kasz usaully has links to that info. perhaps he will post in here.
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Most people on welfare survive by the churches near me. They give food and help with free babysitting. It's amazing stuff I have nothing but respect for churches like that.
NEVER ONCE SEEN CHURCHES NEAR ME REJECT ANYONE.
Amen.
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Yea same here. They have helped my family and we dont attend church. I have also seen them help many others. and not only that they offer some knowledge on how to better your life not just throw money at you like th government. I think people forget that before government welfare that churches, citizens, and organizitons filled that need.
