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Kasz216 on 14 August 2012
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richardhutnik said:
Tigerlure said:
richardhutnik said:
Tigerlure said:
I don't know if the OP's intent was for us to debate on voter ID laws specifically, but I disagree with most of them. I understand the premise of wanting ID laws, and if we had a logical way to do it that didn't fall on partisan beliefs, I would agree with having them. However, it's clear Republicans are using it to their advantage, and there simply is not enough evidence of "widespread" voter fraud that would justify these laws when so many could be disenfranchised from voting. If there was a way to get everyone ID in time before the election for free, I'd be for it.

The OP was about the subject header, on how the GOP's views are one where those on welfare and unemployed are lazy and they would rather they not vote.


Then on that point, it's pretty well known that the GOP views them as lazy, and those who are unemployed should quit drawing unemployment benefits and magically find a job. I wouldn't be surprised if they did try to take their voting rights away. After all, they've managed to go after the elderly and minorities already.

This was an interesting article I found on voter fraud.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/13/gop-voter-id-data-voter_n_1773142.html

There is also an issue with there being low voter turnout, because people generally aren't motivated to vote.  There was talk of moving voting to weekend and relying on absentee voting (this is also subject to fraud but not looked into) to get more people to vote.  They run advertising to motivate people to vote to.  But, despite this, there is arguing that voter fraud is massive.  Next up, I hear there are reports that there may be fraud in people filing their taxes, and also trying to be part of jury duty too much or onto jury duty for vendetta reasons against the system (didn't you hear there are numbers involved who are out to create hung juries to set criminals free?).

There most certaintly is fraud when people file there taxes.  Which is why we have filing requirements.... also problems with juries in jury duty...

which is why we have pretty strict interviews of potential jurors to search for bias.

 

It's a shame we don't have that for voting.  Or rather, some states don't, and people want to label such measures as racist.

 

 

Someone has to be INCREDIBLY stupid to be caught comitting voter fraud.

Double or Triple voting is easy, because there is no national voter list.  Only state voter lists... and nobody is looking for them.

Nobody is checking voting records vs people who are in the hospital or out of town.

Nobody gets confimration of their voting, so people who didn't vote, don't know that someone else voted for them.

I don't think people even do much checking on if people live where they say... (or really exist if you do it the right way.)


Really the only way's to catch voter fraud is if somebody very obviously gives themselves away, or if there are more registered votes then voters. (Which actually does happen.)

 

Saying there aren't many cases of people committing voter fraud isn't really a valid arguement, because there really aren't tools to catch many people of voter fraud.