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gergroy said:
Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:
fastyxx said:
Allfreedom99 said:

You mean the president that said he would go through the budget "line by line" and trim off what wasnt necessary? The president who had control of both House and Senate for his first two years where he had the freedom to pass most of everything he wanted? The president who in 2011' budget was running a $1.3 trillion spending deficit? He may have proposed some spending cuts but all you hear him talk about when discussing the deficit is "taxing it from the rich." Dosn't sound very balanced when you actually listen to what he says and also what he has done as president. Just go look at the progression of the U.S. Debt and deficits in the future. They are unsustainable, but Obama has failed to really tackle that issue on paper.



A.  The President doesn't control House and Senate, even if they have the same letter in front of their names.  Unlike the GOP who has been lockstep unthinking zombies since Newt took over during the Clinton years, the Dems actually have debates within the larger party.  They don't always agree.  They vote their own ways in many circumstances.  The House and Senate disagreed. Pelosi and Reid and Obama didn't agree on everything.  

Conservatives on the one hand keep saying that Obama has forced through all this radical stuff that is ruining the country.....and then they turn around and ask "Well, why didn't he force through anything hwen he had "all the power'"?  If you can't see the logical ineptitude in that argument, I can't help you.  

The size of governmnt is down under Obama.  The number of governemtn employees on all levels is down under Obama.  Discretionary spending in most areas is down under Obama.  The debt numbers GOP apologists like to quote were almost all due to obligations out in place pre-2009  (Bush tax cuts, medicare part B, two wars, TARP, etc. etc. etc.).  To argue otherwise is ridiculous and completely dismisses all real facts. 

I certainly hope you are equally enthusiastic about getting rid of the GOP Congress if you are serious about dealing with people unable to work on deficits.  They've blocked every middle-of-the-road measure that's been attempted, let alone any "radical tax-loving leftist socialist communist redistribution plans."  You're quoting talking points instead of actually looking at the record.  The Congress was elected in 2010 on jobs and jobs and more jobs. They haven't passed ANY job legislation, and they've introduced almost none as well.  But they voted to repal Obamacare symbolically 30+ times.  They introduced a couple hundred abortion bills that do nothing.  

You can claim that the size of the government has shrank, but federal spending tells a different story:

There has been a very large increase in spending under the Obama administration ...

If you noticed, fastyxx said most of the expansions came from pre-existing entitlements.

I seem to recall Obama being elected on a campaign of hope and change.  One of those changes being reducing the deficit.  It is true that most of the spending increase has been due to pre-existing entitlements and lower revenue due to the recession.  However, Obama has done absolutely nothing to reduce the spending or reform the entitlements or change much of anything.  


Obama's changed plenty. He ended the ban on stem cell research, ending the Iraqi war, is in the process of ending the Afganistan war, signed into law credit card reform, the Affordable Care act which is going a ways to ending the Health Insurance industry's abuse of the system by requiring them to spend 80% of what their customers pay them on health care and by banning the health insurance company's ability to exclude people with pre-existing conditions (aka sick people), he signed Lily Ledbetter, reformed the Credit Card industry, formed the Consumer Protection Bureau, and became the first sitting president to openly support homosexuals. He ended Don't Ask Don't Tell through legislation (a political statement, mind you, because the Supreme Court had declared it unconstitutional just weeks before), expanded federal benefits for gay couples working in the government and became the first sitting president to openly support gay marriage.

And these days he's also showing a lot of political courage by not just embracing something that was considered taboo just two election cycles ago, he's also becoming the first presidential candidate in a generation to embrace a populist message.

As for not cutting the deficit and reducing spending, well, that's a rather difficult thing to do in the middle of an economic down turn, especially given what he was left with. A tax cut that took hundreds of billions out of government revenue every year, two incredibly expensive wars, not to mention the reduced tax income that comes with that economic down turn he, again, inherited, which also spawned TARP, which of course just about everyone supported including McCain, Romney and Obama because it kept our financial sector from crashing in on itself and making the economy even worse then it already was (of course, this brought a variety of other negativies and let the banksters get off scott free, but we are talking about goverment spending and not the too big to fail financial sector, right?).

 

During an economic recession, the last thing the government should do is raise taxes or cut spending, the only ways to reduce the deficit. The government spending billions less in the economy is the equivolent of the public spending less: less spending means less money being put into the economy, which means less economic growth. That's why the stimulus was needed, and why the CBO estimated it saved at least a million jobs. Raising taxes, particularly on the JOB CREATING middle class, would like wise give them less money out of pocket to put into the economy. Finally, there where things like Cash For Clunkers and the auto bail out, the latter of which saved many vital middle class jobs.

So yeah, Obama didn't manage to reduce the deficit by much. But given what he inherited, that isn't much of a surprise. Now, since you love charts so much, I got some for you:

First, a breakdown on which president accrued how much debt during their tenure, courtesy of the New York Times:

 

 

Now, a breakdown on what individual things factor into our debt's past and future, derived from CBO estimates:

 

And there you have it.

The main concern right now should not be debt. Most of our debt is held by our own citizens or our government. Our country has seen far worse in terms of debt to GDP. After WW2, our national debt had climbed to 127% GDP. When republican President Eisenhowever came into power in the middle of an economic down turn, massive debt, and high taxes, his first instinct was not to cut spending and lower taxes.

Instead, in the 1950s, we grew our way out of debt and recession. Eisenhower undertook the building of the interstate high way system, which revolutionized our infrastructure and allowed our businesses to thrive. He started the space race against Russia. He kept our highest effective tax rate at 91%, which encouraged the CEOs of wealthy companies to reinvest their company's profits back into the company, rather then taking a big fat pay check. Our current highest effective tax rate of 35% is nothing compared to what my grandpa paid in the 1940s and 50s when he made his fortune. 

That is what we need to do now. We need to grow our way out. We need higher government spending to fix our roads and bridges, invest in public servants, and overall simply make America the kind of country it used to be before supply side trickle down economics and deregulation that took place over the last 30 years decimated our middle class.

That felt good. I'm done.