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Jay520 said:
d21lewis said:

Explain or tell me that I just invalidated your entire thread.  Free will IS free.


I tend to enjoy your opinion. What do you think of what I said here? It may not necessarily deal with free will. But I do think it covers how much control people have over their personality/behavior.


I'm not an expert on the subject.  I know certain things are beyond your control.  Your environment, your race, any birth defects, etc.  You can't learn to excel in certain areas without some outside factor to teach you.  To a degree, I think you're right.  At the same time, think of those prehistoric cave men who also figured out and invented.  Was there any outside influence that prompted them to create clothes, tools, language, shelter, etc?  What of the great scientific minds that were told "The world is flat" or "The earth is the center of the universe" and decided not to believe it?

We are given certain things as fact.  Time and time again, we as a species have chosen to challenge what is presented as fact and instinctively forge our own paths.  Wheter it's the slave that was born knowing nothing but captivity or the man who was told it was wrong to be gay or the person that decided that we could tap into electricity to power our lives--certain things are beyond our control but we have a natural inclination to challenge.  Accepting that "I have no control because I'm just an amalgam of different outside factors" is just a mind state that I don't subscribe to and refuse to subscribe to.  We aren't robots that just absorb data and react to it.  We are more.

At least, that's my take on things.