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robzo100 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Jay520 said:
I guess I'll give my opinion on the matter.

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Completely agree.

I mean, if time were rewound, why would anyone choose differently that time around? Their preferences would be exactly the same as before.

But, not to be dramatic, that would mean that the first causal factors of the beggining of the universe would be exactly the same, right?  Because I would only choose differently if the factors that influenced me stayed the same.  This I think is a common flaw with determinism; it creates a causal chain that has to have an end and a beggining.

Why?  because a given point on a causal chain always has an effect (something after it) and a cause (something before it).  So you need to explain the logic of an infinite chain of events.


Everyone need to explain the logic of a big bang happening out of nothing. That issue is not exclusive to determinists.

The thing is though that my time rewinding example is not exclusive to determinists either. Because alot of time needs to go by for quantum randomness to have an effect. By rewinding time, the exact same scenario would take place once more, and there would not be enough randomness for us to change our preferences and actions.

...if I'm wrong tough and people would make different decisions despite being in the exact same scenario, wouldn't that suggest that our actions/how we carry out our will is dependent on randomness? Wouldn't that suggest that I, at least possibly, randomly decided to rob this bank, but may not have done so if time were rewound?

 

(I have already made a thread on this matter a while ago, by the way.)