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thranx said:
the2real4mafol said:
thranx said:
the2real4mafol said:
HappySqurriel said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
I disagree. Every citizen should have equal rights to be randomly killed by maniacs.

Seriously though, in my opinion guns should be banned altogether. Less people would die that way (I believe. Feel free to prove me wrong here), and I don't give a fuck about some ancient old 'rights'. Sure, removing guns from people (at the exchange of currency) would not be a simple task, but isn't it worth it even if only one single person is saved as a result?

But yeah, I don't live in America so obviously my opinion doesn't really matter. It's their country, not mine.

Baltimore has one of the strictest gun control laws in the United States, and one of the highest homicide rates in the country ...

If you can't prevent criminals from getting their hands on tons of drugs, what makes you believe that you can prevent criminals from getting their hands on tons of guns?

The only people gun control prevents from owning guns are law abiding, honest and mentally stable individuals; the people who are unlikely to use them to commit a crime with them.

is gun laws decided by state rather than government in america then?

state government is still the government, just not the federal government. Yes some laws are left up to the states to decide. The problem in america with guns comes down to criminals. The best way to lower current gun deaths would be to legalize drugs so gangs do not have access to so much money that they can finace the buying and using of weapons against each other. Not to try to restrict legal gun owners rights. You probably have to legalise prostitiution also as i am sure thats where the gangs would get their money after that.

Some statistics for you comparing the US crime rate  to the Netherlands, were gun laws are quite restrictive where you must be part of a sport or hunting club to obtain a license to get a gun AND most drugs are legal and prostitution is also legal.

 United StatesNetherlands
Prisoners 738 128
Murders 4.3 1.1
Assaults 756.9 268.9
Car thefts 387.9 233.6
Burglaries 710.0 555.5
Embezzlements 5.8 47.6
Frauds 125.7 120.0
Rapes 301.3 100.4
Robberies 138.8 113.5
Teen Suicide (15-24 years) 13.7 6.8

These are per 100000 people in both countries.

As, you can see prison population is much lower, due to a liberal drug policy

While, murders, assaults and bulgaries are lower due to a tougher gun law

and Rape is only 1/3 that of the US arguably because of legal prostitution

although, congress is probably to ignorant to do this, despite such success in the Netherlands


Please show me the cities in the netherlands that have the gang problems of LA, St. Louis, Chicago, New York, San Diego, any big city in the united states. Ntherlands is not comparable to the US in the kind of inner city crime problems, nor massive drug trades, and smuggling of illegal people in.  I dont fear gun violence becuase i dont live in a big city, but i have driven through some bad parts of la and you bet i would of felt much safer with a gun.

Better to compare similar states with varying gun laws. But even than, gun death is a result of the lack of morals in many americans and the lack of a good cohesive society. Pepople have to many differences in the United states, until that is solved there will be many conflicts. Wether guns are used, or knives, or bats, or what ever the underlying problems for the violence are there.

fair point but those gang problems exist for different reasons, they exploit the black market (mostly drugs) because it's illegal, they test the government like a kid does to their parents, they see what they can get away with. In those big cities, it is ignored, the people get on with it. The Netherlands doesn't have drugtrades like new york or los angeles because drugs are legal, and they can't rely on prostitution either because that's legal there too. so very few gangs reside in the Netherlands, it might just happen in America if drugs were legal there too (in every state).



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