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[AbbathTheGrim]

greymay said:

spaceguy said:

 

 

I also will add. Why does man always make up god when he can't understand something? One question of logic. If god is perfect, knows everything that has or will ever happen. Why would you even need a test(Gospel)? If you say he does need it, then he is not perfect. Perfection comes with high expectations. This is a major flaw in the story among many. It does not make Logical sense. Religion is about feelings, not common sense. It feels better to have a answer. It's also about fear because with out the fear of hell most wouldn't believe. This is the tool of brainwash. There are 4,000 religions in the world, Non are right in my opinion. God far surpaces the stories of man, if he exists.

The new testament was not put together until about 200 years after jesus. Before that it was a cult and succeeded because it didn't charge poor people. It was word of mouth and the time it was put together there was 1000's of stories. The rich that gave to the cause put it together and they became the bishops. It also only even seen the light of day because of Constantine. Go to your local field museum and learn about evolution. Evolution is a fact in the same way that our sun is the center of our solar system. People who deny are the same as the people who locked up Galileo Galilei. Intelligence is a issue in christianity and it's because it proves it wrong. 

  

I could post a long answer here but I am just going to talk about one aspect for now. As far as why would we need to be tested I believe that the reason for that is free will. I think that it is hard for us to grasp how massive of a gift free will is to us, and how powerful it is. The way I look at it is if God wants to have followers and creations that love him and give him thanks he could do this a couple of different ways. First would be to force his creations to worship him. Second would be to give them the gift of free will, and let them decide. I know that I would prefer that my friends choose to love me over forcing them too. I don't mean to say that this is what God's reason is, it is just a way of understanding it.

There is no free will. If your god controls everything, and everything that happens in the World is your god's will, we are made to choose what we eventually end up choosing. What option did Judas have when Jesus was put before him? Would Judas be a betrayer if your god wouldn't have put him in his way to begin with? How Jesus sacrifice could have been fulfilled if Judas betrayal would have rested in a true aleatory outcome that could or could not have happened?

When the creators of the Bible invented that story they got too inspired and ended up attributing characteristics of grandeur to that diety that ended up contradicting it all. Adam and Eve were put to a test with the forbidden fruit? What test was that when they were put into a situation by a supposedly all knowing god in which that god, as given the ability to know it all, knew the outcome of what would happen? Then that god comes asking what happened to Adam and Eve as if that god did not know what happen. Then that god blames them for doing something he knew they would do.