theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
outlawauron said:
prof, I live in what most people would consider some of deepest parts of the 'Bible Belt' and despite that, what I said still rings true.
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Yet the GOP in Colorado struck down the motion to give civil unions the same advantages.
I am happy that anecdotally, even, you are able to say that, but I feel it is a bit naive. There are very many who are making it a big deal to deny civil unions the same rights as marriage. As I explained earlier, it represents Obama's evolving udnerstanding of the debate. He offered to do away with the whole debate by saying, no same sex marriage, but allow civil unions with the same benefits. But, he can't get anyone to increase those privelages.
2 Weeks before he changed his stance, Colorado had struck down that motion. You don't get much more cause and effect than that. Even liberal Colorado is against giving civil unions the same benefits as marriage. The crazy thing is, there is LITERALLY no reason not to do so other than to deny rights to those who cannot be married. It doesn't even apply to polygamists or first cousins as:
A) more than two people cannot be in a civil union anyway
B) First cousin marriage is often recognized over statelines and any closer ties are denied civil unions as well
Literally no reason to strike that motion down.
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Actually there were significant political reasons to do so.
The colorado bill wasn't put throug until towards the end of it's session.
You pretty much NEVER see any major legislation passed at the end of a session.
Why? Momentum. Had the bill passed, a certain part of the Democratic left would of been SUPER energized and excited.
Stuff like that really needs to be "Early/mid" session to convince the other side to give up such a valuable political chip.
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Well that's just poopy
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Yep...
Granted, Democrats will also get a bump from Republicans denying those rights... it just won't be as big of a bump.
I'm positive that's why all the big Civil Rights legislation never gets introduced in congress until the end of the session.
Democrats wouldn't want it passed if it meant the bump wears off by the time the elections come around.
