sapphi_snake said:
killerzX said:
theprof00 said:
killerzX said:
bouzane said:
happydolphin said:
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I bash sexism, racism and homophobia. I have every right in the world to bash and belittle backward beliefs.
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And where has anyone demonstrated homophobia? Where has anyone showcased backward beliefs?
Traditional is different from backwards. One is against progression, the other (the former) may be for progression. Remember, I said I was for family values. In my view, that's progression compared to the mainstream culture of today, as fed by television nowadays.
Also, I can't help but to think you're insinuating that either I or OP has done any of which you're accusing. In such a case, for my case you'd be wrong. For OP, neither you nor I know since neither of us have any of the original comments or facts, so it's bad to jump to conclusions like you're doing, if you're talking about OP.
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Again, opposing same-sex marriage denies human beings the same rights as everyone else. "Traditional" marriage doesn't exist anymore and hasn't existed in quite some time so I don't see why it can not be made more inclusive. Would Christ want people to deny same-sex marriage? Is that truly treating others as you would have them treat you? God forbid we have everybody receiving the same benefits, the same right to adopt, etc...
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i suppose you hold the very backward belief in denying people the right to marry their sisters, marry 10 different people, marry a 14 year old, etc.
what a backward person, and un-christian person you are.
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I'm not against people marrying ten others, but scientifically, incest is harmful and generally involves abuse, similarly with a 14 year old, who scientifically, is not mature enough to make life-affecting decisions, and is also prone to abusive relationships and manipulation.
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and gay sex, is often harmful, gay people live significantly shorter than straight people.
and would you be so kind as to tell me the exact age, of when every person is scientificly proven to be "mature enough to make life affecting decisions"
as fro your other points its a bunch of what ifs and can be applied to any relationship, should we use that for grounds to deny "civil rights" to people.
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1. Any sex can be harmful. Heterosexuals in Africa have a lower life expectancy than any American/European gay people. Which aspect of their identity are you going to correlate with their situation?
2. You're getting your information from a notoriously flawed study conducted by a notoriously anti-gay organization.
3. The study only targeted gay men. Funny how people seem to forget that lesbians fall into the category of 'gay people' also. Then again, including lesbians would kinda ruin any anti-gay argument they're trying to make.
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1) true. To be fair though... anal sex is more dangerous because it weakens the immune system.
2) Not if it's the study i'm thinking of. There was another one that estimated it that wasn't flawed. Though it currently is outdated... since it was conducted 20 years ago, and Aids was a much bigger thing then... and much more homosexually targeted.
3) True. Well Truish anyway. There is some suggestions that Lesbians are unhealthier then straight women, but in other ways. Alcoholism, more likely chance of being in an abusive relationship... Though a lot of that could argueably be because well... Lesbians aren't accepted like straight women, hence such things are more prevalent. I mean hell, if we went based on just crazy correlations, everything said about gay people in that regard is also true for African Americans. Nobody is talking about banning black marriage... they have far lower life expectancies then normal. (African Americans being a better exammple then Africans because of similar circumstances.)
