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Immortal said:
Jay520 said:


Atheism doesnt strictly involve the belief that religions are wrong. It's more associated with Gods than religion. And even then, atheism is not the belief that Gods don't exist. In its broadest sense, atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a God. A person can lack the belief in Gods, without believing that Gods don't exist. Now of course, strong atheists believe that Gods don't exist, but I don't fall into that category.

Atheists like myself follow the idea that there is no valid justification to believe in a God(s) existence. This doesn't mean we believe that Gods don't exist. No, its perfectly possible that there are Gods and its possible that there aren't any. At the moment, there is no justification to believe either way. Atheism, to put it broadly, is simply the lack of belief.

I really urge you to check out the following video as it articulates my opinion much better than i can. it really is a fantastic video and if you like it, you should check out more videos from the author.

Oh, that's why I stated like twice that I can't argue against atheism. I mean, that would also argue against any belief at all so it wouldn't defend religions in the least. I'm just generalizing the attitude of most atheists. My experience could be off, but the vast majority of atheists are "strong atheists", against whom I think my argument is valid. The way you describe your beliefs, I think you'd more accurately be an agnostic by my definition. And agnositicism, to me, is basically the best place to be, alongside being a "religious liberal", as I previously mentioned. This simply seems to be a difference in definitions then, since I define atheist as you define "strong atheist" and I'd define you as agnostic if you don't actively disagree with God/gods. Really nothing to discuss here, then.

Also, for the video, I really knew most of that already. And, without checking it thoroughly, I'm quite sure I can't disagree with any of the points made there. It's just the subtext that I vehemently disagree with. The fact that the people with supernatural beliefs were the ones making all the accusations (especially, the "you're a lesser person" part, xD) seemed silly and not accurate for the reality I know. I probably have a weird experience, but I have seen a far higher proportion of atheists being "strong atheists" who impose their assertions onto everyone than religious/superstitious people who do the same. Mainly because you're rather an extremist if you're religious and you tell people their beliefs are wrong while it seems to be the norm for atheists to be contrarian so their beliefs being stuffed down everyone's throats is more acceptable.



Fair enough. It doesn't really matter to me which term you associate me with. As long as you clearly and thoroughly understand my beliefs & lack of beliefs, I don't really mind which term you call me.

I agree with you about strong atheists. I don't think anyone is qualified to say what doesn't exist in the universe. I don't know if there are more strong atheists vs soft atheists. You could he right, I won't argue against you. I don't think there's been any studies or experiments in that sort of thing.

I guess the second paragraph of your post really depends on each individual's experience.

And btw, what are your beliefs?