Viper1 said:
Actually, I don't debate on the side that soneone would step up as an "armed law biding citizen" to shoot the perpetrator. I debate on the side of deterrence. If a criminal knows his targets could be armed, he's less likely to go through with the crime to begin with. That's where I stand. It's the threat of knowing he could himself get shot that is the true benefit of a gun owning society. The rarity of an "armed law biding" citizen actually shooting would be attackers is nice and all but again, rare, and not the best debate point. But if a criminal knows his targets are not armed because it's illegal for them to carry a gun, he's free to attack as he pleases. See how it would actually increase gun crime? If guns were banned, only the "armed law biding" citizens would turn in their guns. The criminals would still keep theirs and then put them to good use, as it were. |
Or maybe it was James Holmes himself, who from all we know so far was a perfectly "law-abiding citizen" until he turned out to have a rather dark side?Viper, I understand your logic and how you are thinking. Naturally, if criminals know we have guns, they are less inclined to commit crimes. But that argument has been debunked by research. USA, which allows people to have guns (not in all states) has the HIGHEST number of homocides through the use of guns compared to other countries that don't have guns.
For example, USA has over 8,000 gun murders per year. Canada has only 200. UK has only 60. Japan has 2 (they had 18 one year which was regarded as insane and such a high number). Now you will tell me that the US has a bigger population than other countries and so naturally it will have more murders. But let us do simple maths. US has approximately 300million people, Canada has about 30 million (I am rounding to make things easier). So the US has 10 times more people. Multiply the gun murders in Canada by 10, that is 200x10 = 2000 murders by guns. That is still a QUARTER of the number of murders in the US.
The facts are clear, if you allow people to have guns, people will get killed. I mean, look at this guy. No one suspected a thing out of him. He is a graduate student of neurosciences. I saw him hold presentations in class, he looked like a totally normal kid, then BAM. he goes out and slaughters all these people. He didn't think twice whether he would be gunned down or not. Also, accidental killings happen when people have guns. So for instance, apparently the people at the theater that got shot at, over 40% of them went out and bought a gun for protection so that would never happen again. But that is not the right thing to do, because if the situation was repeated but the crowd had a bunch of guns, people would still be dead, A) because the murderer was wearing full anti-ballistic body armor and would not have been killed with the shots fired his way, and B) amidst the smoke grenades, the darkness in the theater, and the chaos and madness going on in there, I guarantee you those innocents with guns would have accidentally shot another innocent bystander as they could not see shit. Probably more people would have died in this alternate gun-toting scenario.
So no. Just because people are allowed to have guns, does not mean that crimes will stop. It has been proven year over year that this is not the case simply by numbers and simple research, and there has been no valid argument to prove that murders would decrease. But many Americans seem to think that the Constitution was written by a God and cannot be altered and has to be followed word by word, or else....! It is crazy to think that! The Constitution was written in the 1700's man!!! What they were going through back then was different to what we are living today. There was no such thing as a full fledged police force back then, people were being invaded by the British back then, guns were simple and can shoot 1 bullet at a time after a lengthy reload process (unlike fully automatic weapons that slice through scores of people now like that low life asshole did in the theater).
Those mass shootings, as far as I know, are typically done by someone with ZERO criminal background. They are the "law abiding citizens" you speak off that go nuts and go on mass murders. Dude, if you lose it, you've fuckin lost it. You are not thinking rationally anymore, you are not thinking "oh my, will they shoot me if i do this?!" no! you are thinking "ok, they have guns, so i gotta shoot them all real fast and make sure they dont have a chance to reataliate!" Also, some of these mass murderes turn the gun on themselves and suicide, so they don't give a fuck about someone in the crowd having a gun.
There is no reason for Americans to turn a blind eye to this and STILL after all the evidence put in front of them deny that aboloshing guns would reduce gun murders. There is no room for ignorance in the 21st century! People need to wisen up, see the truth, and rise! Otherwise, you might be present in the next big shooting if the status quo is not changed.
