VXIII said:
Nem said:
VXIII said:
Nem said:
If you cannot prove something exists, then by default its proven that it doesnt exist. There is no need to further prove it. It makes no sense.
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Thoughts / ideas, emotions, feelings, they all exist but no one can prove that they do.
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Erm... you can. Thoughts are electromagnetic pulses through the brain cells. We dont yet have the technology to determine what exactly the thought was but we can prove when you are thinking and not (there is even technology that already exists that can guide a wheel chair by reading your thoughts. Whatch brave new world with stephen hawking if you want to see it). Emotions are chemical reactions within your body (for example hormone levels rise with love), you can detect them taking out blood samples and analysing or any matter of test i am not familiar with as i dont study medicine. There are actually hormones called dopamine and timine (not sure about the name of this one) that you generate wether you are having positive or negative feelings.
Really, ignorance seems to be the only precursor for religion. If we all strive to learn, we will all realise how unproductive religion is in the grand scheme. Its nothing but the fear of death that fuels it. But wether you lie to your self or not, there really is no escaping the reality.
We can all hope for a higher life form that created us and will save us come death time. I hope such an entitiy exists as im sure everyone else does. But, you have to be able to face the fact and know that that possibility is extremely remote. And what, do you think theres a bug heaven aswell? Why are we more important than the bugs? We are not the center of the universe, we are really nothing but bugs when you look at the big picture of the cosmos. Thinking we are special is an act of extreme arrogance, even if understandable.
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First of all, I respect Agnosticism. since you share that view I have no idea why you made that first statement, they doesn't go along.
All you have mentioned is interesting and true, however your first statement is still wrong. if we can prove those things exist now, people couldn't back in time, but thoughts, emotions (.. etc) existed with us all along even before we could prove them.
You need to understand that being religious is merely an attempt to understand this world, religion is NOT the opposite of science. Religion is like the frame of the picture, and science is the picture itself, they complete each other. Religion is not about ignorance and fears, those are empty claims. the last paragraph is a totally different subject.
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But then you're telling me that religion is the sum of things we cant yet explain. Thats almost the same as saying a singularity is a religion cause we do not understand it. Yes, i guess you can see it as something that fills the void while we dont have the knowledge to answer something, but its not something thats used that nobly, and just like the singularity term, its just a filler until we can find the real explanation. Sometimes i wonder what the problem is with "i dont know why this happens yet"instead of "i dont understand this, so its gotta be an almighty god that is responsible for it".
To explain my first statement, i dont believe god exists, but i hope he does. Racionally, there really is no logic reason or proof for him to exist, besides human hopes. Do i hope he does? Oh yes, who wouldnt like salvation and life after death? This hope is completely irrational and unrealistic though. But, i believe in beeing a good and kind person and not going around shooting people just because i believe theres no afterlife.
