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Juma009 on 23 July 2012
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darthdevidem01 said:
Juma009 said:
Damn, that's a good question, being a HUGE Batman fan (over 1,000 comic books in my closet) I will always choose the joker as a better villain and the Nolan Saga is no different, The Joker had no evil master plan nor a desire to carry the legacy of a former leader, The Joker is just pure evil at its best, I have to admit Bane did give me a sensation that Batman WAS the underdog but after finding out it was Talia behind it all did disappoint me a bit, how he was not the child born in darkness nor the only one to ever escape the prison, props to Nolan for keeping the comics story intact (Ras Al Ghul does have only one daughter) but dam, Bane is nobody's pawn, remember "Knightfall"

Actually he might be.

The prison wasn't exactly dark was it. It was hollow & lit all the time to give people "hope" of escaping.

I remember seeing the prison & thinking...HEYYY this is not a "dark" place like Bane said he was born in. That kinda gave me a hint towards maybe he wasn't the child...but I never connected the dots till Tallia revealed herself.

Bane may still have been born in the dark in some other place, he never said HE was the one who escaped the prison remember. All he said was that he was "born" in the darkness and that claim may still be true. This is just another thing which makes me feel Nolans storytelling is excellent.  

And no I don't think he said "dark" as a metaphor...I think he was being quite literal as there was darkness while they were fighting at the time & he beat Batman by finding him in the dark. 

I see your point, but the movie sure intended for the viewers to believe that it was Bane the child that escaped, when Alfred briefed Bruce on who Bane was he mentioned that Bane "somehow" managed to escape such "hell on earth" prison, when the truth is he was released by the league of shadows, also the 2 prisoners that Bruce interacts with during captivity make it sound as if the "legendary" escaped prisoner was a boy threfore leading everyone to believe it was Bane, dont get me wrong it was an absolute brilliant move by Nolan, I was already geting disappointed when the plot was throwing towards Bane being Ras' son when Talia has been an Important character in the comics (being the mother of Bruce's son and all) But Nolan played it amazingly well, all I said is that once the truth was revealed I ended up with the impression that it was all Talia;s doing and Bane sort of took a back step on the role of the movie's villain, thats why I vote for the joker, either way I loved all three films and all villains.