How does giving out more visa/green cards create more jobs for Americans?

[Viper1]

richardhutnik said:

HappySqurriel said:

Mr Khan said:

Viper1 said:
Importing skilled workers in the early part of the 20th century is how America became such a dominant labor force to begin with.

Why not try to emulate that again while simultaneously reducing the number of illegal entries into the US?

Better question...if this is not a good bill, what makes it bad?

I think Richard's poking at the idea that making it easier for skilled foreigners to come in would take jobs from skilled Americans, but given that the visa sponsorship process is always more laborious than just hiring someone domestically, this wouldn't be an issue if we had enough skilled Americans.

Of course, i'm inclined to be bitter on the issue just because i don't have a real career job, but the sectors i'm looking into wouldn't be effected by this, so I see the wisdom in it as others in the thread have described it: e.g. it's about keeping growth in these sectors located in America.

Maybe it is different in the United States, but most countries have specific skilled labour visas and you have to have education & experience in fields where there is a demonstrated shortage of domestic workers to qualify. Under these rules it is unlikely that any of these people would take a job away from a local worker.

The whole "Demonstrated shortage" in the IT field is that the industry has run VERY picky standards for what they look for, and don't want to train anyone, and will get rid of workers and replace them with a said perfect mix.  If you know C++, and proficient in Object Oriented Design and coding, it doesn't matter if they want Java.  You need X years of Java.  Recruiters will also say, if you were out of work in the IT field for over 6 months, they can't place you, because your skills are too old.  With this as a reality, it sounds like the IT industry has more than enough workers, right?  How can an industry being incredibily picky, suddenly claim it has a labor shortage.

Compeiting for a job is still compeiting for a job.

I don't care if there are 2 technologists or 2,000 going for the same job.   You still only hire 1 guy.

And they have every right to be picky.  If they need a Java guy and you don't know Java, they aren't going to keep you onboard at $50,000+ per year and send you to school for training when they can just as easily hire a Java guy and save the money it would cost to train you.

There is also the fact that market growth in the IT field is still high.  It can handle an increase in potential technologists without crowding out lesser experienced individuals.

 

And then you have the pay to market volume factor.    If the IT field gets a boost in highly skilled technologists, that will cause in increase in average pay in the field which creates an average increase in costs to consumers.   Increased consumer costs due to pay means a market segment has opened up where you can bid jobs at the lower rate (the rate before the increase) and make out damn good.

Work the system, don't let it work you.