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theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
Or to put it another way.

For someone to be against gay marriage because of Level 1 moral reasoning.

If you asked them "Is there ANYTHING wrong with being gay except for the fact that god hates it?"

Their answer would have to be. "No."

The problem is that I don't think they really get asked or ask themselves that question.

Only one way to find out.  I have a feeling you'd be surprised though.

I think... you may not be fully understanding the pure narroweness of stage one.

For example... if you were to say.

"Is there ANYTHING wrong with being gay except for the fact that god has said so."

and they were to say

"Yes it's unnatural"

That alone would blow well past stage one... even if the specific reason they think it's unnatural is because God says so.

That it is unnatural would be completely irrelevent to a stage 1 thinker.  Natural or unnatural is meaningless.  All that matters is that people shouldn't get gay married, because they would go to hell... and going to hell means they are a bad person.    Not even the punishment matters here.  Just that gay marriage is breaking a law... and breaking ANY law is bad, because you are breaking a law.  Heck, not even it being God would matter.

To a stage 2 thinker... it being unnatural is ALSO irrelvent.  The reason you wouldn't want to have gay marriage is because if you got gay married you'd go to hell. 

It's worth noting, that Stage 1 or Stage 2 person with the viewpoint that they shouldn't gay marry someone likely wouldn't give a damn about Gay marriage being legal in the first place because it doesn't effect them.  If you asked them if it was legal or not.  They might say No, simply because they wouldn't do it... and that would be it.  They cerataintly wouldn't be in huge picket lines trying to deny other people from getting gay married.   (Outside of Stage 2 people who believe God punishes people as a whole for an individuals wiked acts and are afraid another Katrina or 9/11 will hit.  I'm looking at you Pat Roberts(on?).  Note they have other reasons why they are against it as well.)

 

To a Stage 3 person... Unnatural still wouldn't come in... from a religious point of view.  Afterall, what would matter in this case is that God expects us to not gay marry... so we should not gay marry.  That's it.

 

To a Stage 4 Being unnatural doesn't matter... because stage 4 has to do with Law and order.  You shouldn't gay marry because it's God's law... and other people may gay marry aftewords.  (Although such reasoning can be also be stage 5 depending on why you think it's a bad thing society "degrades".)


It being unnatural is in fact a Stage 5 position... you are using a justification not based on law... but based on your own conceived notions of what is natural or unnatural. (Even if said notions were influenced by the church.)