Concept of Going to Heaven...

[Kasz216]

Aielyn said:

Kasz216 said:
Practically everybody in a western democracy is at the 5th or 6th levels of thinking.

A vast majority of people to be at said level is pretty much a requirement to have a democracay.

Worth noting, that the Chinese for example have been MUCH less tied to religion an atheist like... and in fact, are more likely to be at a "lower level" on the pyramid.   You could make the same arguement for say... the Japanese.

These are countries whose philosphies and morals were largely based on secular ideas and ideals... vs western morality which is nearly unseperable from Christin morality in it's formation.

One cannot simultaneously claim everyone in "a western democracy" is at 5th or 6th level of moral thought, and then claim that it's due to being rooted in Christian morality.

Christian morality is 1st level. It is straight obedience. I also can't help but notice that you claim that the same argument for Chinese being "at a lower level" applies to the Japanese... even though the Japanese have a democracy, and you claimed that 5th and 6th level thinking in the vast majority of people is "pretty much a requirement" for democracy.

In short, your logic doesn't make any sense.

No it isn't....

Please read something about Kohlberg's stages of morality.  

If you did, you'd realize that Kohlberg siad hardly any adults were every stuck in the 1st or 2nd stages.  Or Teenagers for that matter.    Stages 1 and two are considered the (Pre conventional Stage) that young children work there way through.

Most adults were in stage 3 or 4... which is considered the conventional stage.

Stage 5 was needed for Democracy.... since Stage 5 is basically a recognition and acceptence of the social contract.

and Stage 6 is largely theoretical and not enough people believe in it.   This is the post conventional phase.

 

As for the Japanese... they tend to have a higher percentage of people at "stage 4".  the "Law and Order" stage.

Also it's kind of my secondary point.   Kohlbergs work sucks.  He claims it as comprhensive and all consuming and applicable to all societies, when it's not really explicable to any, because it focuses soley on Justice for moral reasoning... and in general has a Pro Western bias that suggested the west was morally superior to the east. 

Have to get people to understand what Kohlberg's stages of moral development actually are first before I can point out where it fails.

Really either Jonahtan Haidt's, or base Piaget are better theories to use.