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sperrico87 said:
If PS4 is 2013, then Last Guardian has been pushed to next-gen over PS3, and that's why it's taking so long. 

If Last Guardian, Last of Us, and Beyond are all 2013 PS3 holiday games, then there is no way in hell they are putting PS4 up against that trifecta.  It would cannibalize sales. 

I'm 50/50 at this point, but I'd bet 720 is 2013, and Sony takes an extra year to make some good launch games, with PS4 in 2014.

Who said those are holiday games? Isn't TLOU likely to be Q1? TLG can be released after PS4, it'll make little to no impact on anything, no matter how great or bad it is. This happens all the time, e.g. GOW2 released on the PS2 after the PS3 came out. Not sure when Beyond will come out though.