theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
"Kohlberg's six stages can be more generally grouped into three levels of two stages each: pre-conventional, conventional and post-conventional.[7][8][9] Following Piaget's constructivist requirements for a stage model, as described in his theory of cognitive development, it is extremely rare to regress in stages—to lose the use of higher stage abilities.[14][15] Stages cannot be skipped; each provides a new and necessary perspective, more comprehensive and differentiated than its predecessors but integrated with them.[14][15]
Level 1 (Pre-Conventional)
1. Obedience and punishment orientation
(How can I avoid punishment?)
2. Self-interest orientation
(What's in it for me?)
(Paying for a benefit)
Level 2 (Conventional)
3. Interpersonal accord and conformity
(Social norms)
(The good boy/good girl attitude)
4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation
(Law and order morality)
Level 3 (Post-Conventional)
5. Social contract orientation
6. Universal ethical principles
(Principled conscience)
The understanding gained in each stage is retained in later stages, but may be regarded by those in later stages as simplistic, lacking in sufficient attention to detail.
Pre-conventional"
Take from this what you want. I take it that, not all christians, but a good number of them have been socially and morally stunted.
This is interesting when you look at the political aspects of it, with the christian right only voting for the guy whose ideals are "righteous" or "not sinful/evil", while ignoring the political side which is categorically referred to as the 'bleeding hearts' for their belief that society should take care of those less fortunate.
Surely this isn't a flawless portrait I'm painting, but even on a simpler level, it's still interesting that the religious right is so focused on what is sinful rather than what is right.
This isn't to say that religion corrupts or that religion is bad, but that religion is SO EASILY misused both accidentally and intentionally. It is a flawed human system to represent the divine.
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I feel like you've probably never read much about Kohlbergs work and therefore are GREATLY misunderstand and understimate what those stages mean. Worth noting.... "Liberal" beliefs aren't superior in Kohlbergs work, like you seem to think. (From the bleeding hearts sentence.)
Example...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_dilemma
Practically everybody in a western democracy is at the 5th or 6th levels of thinking.
A vast majority of people to be at said level is pretty much a requirement to have a democracay.
Worth noting, that the Chinese for example have been MUCH less tied to religion an atheist like... and in fact, are more likely to be at a "lower level" on the pyramid. You could make the same arguement for say... the Japanese.
These are countries whose philosphies and morals were largely based on secular ideas and ideals... vs western morality which is nearly unseperable from Christin morality in it's formation.
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I think you're purposely misinterpreting what I've said in order to frame your argument.
I disagree with "A vast majority of people to be at said level is pretty much a requirement to have a democracay." as we have currently one of the most dysfunctional governments we've ever had.
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Did you actually read the link on the problem?
If so... do you really think that most people in western society aren't at atleast stage 5.... if you are.... I feel like you don't have much expierence dealing with people.
