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fastyxx said:
Kasz216 said:

I'd say nowhere.

I don't get why Obama is pushing it so hard... it doesn't seem to be pushing the numbers at all, and if anything is hurting his campaign.


False.  Look at the trend lines in the battleground states since the Bain ads starting running.  

here's Ohio, for example, which has been getting heavy play of Bain-related material.  See also Florida and Virginia.

 

It's getting play because it touches on all the chords of discontent in the heartland of the country, and it plays well across all demographics outside of Romney's peers.  When you isolate the Bain attacks outside of the presidential race, it plays even better  - - people's perceptions of the president overcome their distaste for Romney in some cases.  But to say this line of reasoning isn't working is just patently false according to all data available.  Bain and tax returns are going to haunt Romney through November.  If the economic numbers don't collapse, Romney has little chance of prevailing.  

Unless Romney gets control of the Bain narrative, and makes it positive, he definitely is going to lose ground.  That is the part that is going on here, following up from the initial charges.  This happened to John Kerry in 2004.  He lost control of the Vietnam war area, and his swift boat experience got turned into a negative.  This could of been a strength going up against GW Bush who didn't go over to Vietnam, but it turned inti a weakness.  When I said the Rove playbook, I was referring to what someone I know said of Rove.  The idea is to take a candidates strength and turn it against him.  Making the campaign focus on Bain, and companies like Bain, is not a strength for Romney.  Romney needs to be on Obama, and discontent with current events.  Failure to do so doesn't help Romney.   And it ends up, on health care, Romney does end up with a position similar to John Kerry with GW Bush regarding Iraq.  

I would like to see the Florida polling.