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Slimebeast said:

Bottom line according to you: morals don't exist since everything is pre-determined. There is always a legit reason for any action, no matter how positive or how negative.

I'm not totally against that position (because I think free will is very small in individuals) but I want to remind people of the consequences from such a position (and this is where sociologists, left wingers and all-good-bringers typically fail):

morals simply cease to exist, from which follows that you should not just feel sorry for criminals, you should feel sorry for everybody, and never condemn anybody for anything.


No, I never said that. My OP applies to a non-determined universe as well.