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thranx on 19 June 2012
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richardhutnik said:
thranx said:
Aielyn said:
thranx said:
If people think that the government is so great at welfare and want to have more of it, they can always choose to give more to the government. For all the people that want to raise taxes why don't they take the initiative and do just that? It would really show that they believe in the government. Have jon stewart or warren buffet donated any money to the government yet? how much of their income did they donate? how much have other liberals donated? Or do they donate to a charity that is better at welfare than the government?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/9034015/Warren-Buffett-pledges-15pc-of-income-to-US-if-10pc-of-Congress-does-too.html


So he only cares to force others to do so? Why not just donate the 15% of his income instead of trying to force others to do so. If he truely believed the US government was the best spot for welfare he should step up and donate to it. No "strings" attached, this is charity we're talking about, not bl;ackmailing others to do what you won't. He should lead by example.

Idea is to effectively address a common problem.  Idea isn't to score some sort of "I am consistent" points on a mythical scoreboard you have in your head, that you could care less if they actually do it.  You only bring up, "well if they like it so much, they should do it!" argument, because you want to try to end an argument by showing they are inconsistent.  There are things in life where, if insufficient numbers participate, it will fail.  So, why should they contribute more, if it doesn't resolve the issue?

If you want to go with something more useful, look at my original proposal.  Have all those who want to see taxes on the rich, have their tax rates raised (aka, liberals) and have those who want to have the tax rates on rich reduced, lowered.  It is the same thing as what you want, but would actually make a difference.  Well, maybe it is a bit too "collective" to you.  Apparently, the idea of more than one individual doing the same thing at the same time is a concept you probably have a hard time grasping.  Life isn't just a bunch of autonomous individuals working in an uncoordinated manner, doing whatever their whims desire.

It is the same as i want. So why don't they do just that. Nothing is stoping them, They do not have to create any law. They can simply choose to pay what they believe they should be paying. If it is such a good idea and liberals really feel that way, they can all collectivly CHOOSE to do so. That is my only gripe. You are trying to take peoples choices away. Why can't you see that. As a collective people can stillCHOOSE to donate can't they. Can't warren buffet say "hey everyone who agrees with me lets donate 30% of our income and show people what a diference it can make." Life isn't a few individuals forcing others to do as they do, is it? Why is individualty and choice so hard for you? Do you think no one would agree with you so you feel the need to force others?

Why shouild anyone contribute, the issues have only gotten worse the more we have contributed to the government. Why not lower taxes for everyone than, we dont seem to be solving the problem anyways. I mean if thats really your attitude, why try at all?