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Khuutra on 12 June 2012
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sales2099 said:
Khuutra said:

No, see, the joke is that I live in Ontario, so... you know what, nevermind

My point was that "adult games" aren't really the realm of adults, so to speak. I played Hogan's Alley when I was very small, and Mortal Kombat and Turok when I was not much older. Ever since I was a kid, I haven't cared about "kiddy" games versus "adult" games, because the distinction doesn't exist for me. I liked Turok because it let me shoot dinosaurs. I liked Mario because it let me throw Bowser face-first into a giant spikey bomb (and, I'll be honest, because it let me wear a hat with wings on it and fly around IN 3D SPACE).

The mean average of Wii players is something like 30, which is higher than any other console. The DS is something like five years below that, I think? I guess I could look that up.

You cannot possibly claim that you play games for reasons that are opposed to escapism. That is preposterous. You have General butt-slapping Raam as your avatar. It doesn't fly.

I think the problem here is that your delineation between games for kids vs. games for adults is - well, it's unsupported! You haven't outlined what "mature" is, what "for adults" is, or anything like that. What makes Turok for adults, rather than for kids? What makes Mario for kids, but not for adults? These are questions you need to answer to support your point.

I too played Doom, Mechwarrior, and Duke Nukem as a kid. Playing games not meant for you is done by everybody. But now that im older, I just want more out of my games (plot, character developement, and art aesthetics. 

The bold means that the Wii appeals to casuals, not adult core gamers. 

Gaming is a way of escape, but I dont play Nintendo games I played as a kid now out of some misplaced notion that I wanna feel young again. I am where I am in life, and I seek a more adult type of game. This doesnt just mean the violence of Gears or COD, but more rich experiences like Mass Effect, Bioshock that Nintendo 1st party just plainly doesnt deliver. 

Thing is, its all relative. There arent any concrete views....its all personal preference. For me, if a gaming franchise looks for kids and the main install base is children, I stay away. I am disapointed Nintendo can't make 1......just 1, M rated 1st party game. 

Personal preference is fine, and having an aesthetic or mechanical preference based on ESRB rating (of all things) is completely acceptable. You are, of course, completely allowed to like wha you like.

But this preoccupation that you have with grown-upness, this insistence that adults who play games "meant for kids" are somehow aberrant (as a guy who sells games I can tell you it's not the case) and that a man out to be a man and put away his Mario? I'm not going to lie, it has this sort of weird, Peter Pand the Lost Boys vibe to it. It's like yeah, let's beat up some Indians and make war! Wait, what?

You still haven't defined what an "adult" game is, what a "mature" game is, and now you've committed the unspeakable sin of adding "rich" to your vernacular without a clear explanation of what that's supposed to be. Again, I am asking you, in the interest of trying to sound like a Grown Up®, to clearly outline what you mean when you use these terms. I'm not asking you to justify your Grown Up® fixation; I am simply asking for you to define it.