Theological political question: Is government welfare of God or Satan?

[Strategyking92]

richardhutnik said:

Strategyking92 said:

richardhutnik said:

You can make it a blame game or you can take action. People who blame their problems on everything else but them are parasites. There are always opportunities. Jesus can't approve of anything we are doing here. But then again, who's to say what Jesus would think? Circumstances and such always alter decisions and why they should be made, after all.

If you seriously want to get into what Jesus thinks and the way of Christ/Christianity, you can then reference the Bible, where NOTHING is ever promised people get rich.  God is said to be able to help those in need, and supply needs.  There is nothing about building up a ton of riches and so on.  And there is ample exhortation that people are supposed to help the poor.  It is ample there.

Not only do people blame others, people happen to act delusionally, believing they are destined for riches and so on.  

Reading what you said, what is written in James 4 comes to mind:

13Now listen, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.”14Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.15Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil.17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.

 

And there are these verses to:

Proverbs 27:1 Do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring forth.

Luke 12:18 "Then he said, 'This is what I'll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. James 5:1 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you.

 

I don't disagree?

Go back to the original question, of whether or not the government can be a vessel by which God supplies needs or not.  You had, in a prior thread, spoke that people should die, if that is what it be.  What you wrote, I would be very hard pressed, to find even remotely in keeping with what Jesus would of taught or believed, or in keeping with much of anything of the Bible.  Even in a world where there is falling short, there is no basis for the deaths you advocated, come to pass.  And it may be right that you stuck a question at the end of your reply, because I am pressed to find out if you DO agree or disagree.  It seems like you are more inclined to disagree.

I never said that people who don't or can't work should die, I said this: In a world without these programs, if you don't support yourself you die off, simple as that. Now that's motivation to work, work hard, and try your best. That same motivation is simply gone otherwise.

What I meant by that was that if you have programs to prop people up so that they don't have to try, then it weighs our society as a whole down due to several factors such as exploitation. That would be tantamount to taking advantage and stealing from people's tax dollars, which I'm sure Jesus would disagree with. Charity should be chosen by the person on an individual basis, not the government. That's why my parents go to a baptist church instead of a methodist; because they have the freedom to choose what they give and when they give in terms of the offering.

 

edit: And I am going to assume that we know that the poor and needy of 30AD are completely different from the poor and needy of 2012AD.