Theological political question: Is government welfare of God or Satan?

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richardhutnik said:

Strategyking92 said:

richardhutnik said:

Strategyking92 said:
I would say that in a perfect world run by perfect christians communism would be possible. I think that's what Jesus would have wanted: People i.e. the faithful being pure enough to actually use that system of no government without screwing each other over.

But people aren't perfect. We lie, we scheme, we murder. Additionally not everyone is a christian, not even everyone that says they're a christian "walks the walk" either, so to speak!
Social welfare and programs have nothing to do with god. I think it's wrong though because people should be able to support themselves, without them having to be lazy and leech off of the government. Self sustainment. In a world without these programs, if you don't support yourself you die off, simple as that. Now that's motivation to work, work hard, and try your best. That same motivation is simply gone otherwise.

So is it satanic? No, no it's not. It's human. Do I agree with social programs? Hell no. It erodes society by disrupting the natural order of things while allowing parasites to hurt the people who do try to better themselves.

Currently, civilization has moved beyond people having plots of land which people farm, that enables them to totally self-sufficient, because they have land to produce.  Today, you have very complex interdependencies, that enable some in the financial sector to take too much risks, and totally take down the economy, bankrupting millions, and ruining towns that function. 

Well, based on what you wrote above, I am hard pressed to find Jesus would approve.  So, it sounds like, since you don't believe Christian communal ideals are possible, you go for social Darwinism.  Problem with this approach is that, if you advocate it, it is possible you will be the one dying.

You can make it a blame game or you can take action. People who blame their problems on everything else but them are parasites. There are always opportunities. Jesus can't approve of anything we are doing here. But then again, who's to say what Jesus would think? Circumstances and such always alter decisions and why they should be made, after all.

If you seriously want to get into what Jesus thinks and the way of Christ/Christianity, you can then reference the Bible, where NOTHING is ever promised people get rich.  God is said to be able to help those in need, and supply needs.  There is nothing about building up a ton of riches and so on.  And there is ample exhortation that people are supposed to help the poor.  It is ample there.

Not only do people blame others, people happen to act delusionally, believing they are destined for riches and so on.  

Reading what you said, what is written in James 4 comes to mind:

13Now listen, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.”14Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.15Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil.17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.

 

And there are these verses to:

Proverbs 27:1 Do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring forth.

Luke 12:18 "Then he said, 'This is what I'll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. James 5:1 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you.

 

I don't disagree?