Andrespetmonkey on 09 June 2012
| Jay520 said: "Still doesn't answer my questions. @underlined Why does he want to meet you halfway? What is the point? " It shows initiative. He appreciates when people personally approach him with their problems. It's just the way it is. "@underlined You would argue that? Then the burden of proof is on you." Well no, I can't 'argue' that. I'd say it's likely though. We have no way of knowing if it's true or not. "That's a very liberal use of the word 'fact' you're using. Of course I don't believe them, that's why I challenged the statements you've made. The question here was "if he really does answer prayer, why does practically every study on prayer show that it doesn't work?" Your answer wasn't very convincing, based on the fact that it was based on the "God works in mysterious ways" argument, which is full of too many holes to be taken seriously. And the answer never explained why answered prayers that could not of happened by chance lack any evidence." I believe this question was answered in the following paragraph. "@underlined Right, as do many Muslims know what caused their changes, as do Hindus know what caused their changes, as do Scientologists know what caused their changes... etc. Certainly didn't lead them to Christianity. The argument from personal experience holds no weight. " As I said, I cannot prove nor disprove any of this. Of course my experience is a weak argument. I believe I've said that already. I told you that you could believe me if you found my words likely, though I know you won't. "I used to be like you to, and as a result of keeping an open mind & heart I'm in the position I'm in now. Do I know the truth of the universe? Not with any certainty, not at all. But it's a hell of a lot clearer than what it used to be." I applaud you willingness to keep an open-mind and I'm certain that you will find the truth through your own experience. |
Alright Jay, I think we don't have many things left to pick apart and we won't really convince eachother either way. I think it mostly comes down to a difference of opinion and worldviews at this point in the discussion, I don't see much reason going on as we'll simply be sharing or comparing our worldviews, which is fine, but I think we already have a general understanding of what we each think and how it differs.
It was a good talk, I'm sure we'll have another like this, probably in another THE1 thread.
@the last sentence Right back at you ;)
