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and for my 2 cents... it also tells you why i think the ms e3 press conf was right on target with their business model and way better than us gamer made it appear.... once again it's a press conference aimed 1st at professionals of the sectors... not us customers... announcing new hardware now is actually really bad business if it ain't coming this year... bad for retailers, bad for devs, heck even bad for second hand market... the only reason nintendo did it last year is because their sales were dropping like a phone signal in a tunnel.....