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rocketpig said:
Kasz216 said:
I mean really if we want an example of a toothless federal government in modern times... I'd use Europe as an example.

That's really what the Europeon Union is.

It's the articles of confederation more or less.

Big difference being that the articles of confederation let indivdual states keep there own money... (I think?)

Without looking it up, I'm about 95% sure that under the Articles, states still printed their own money. I think that was one of the main driving forces for the Constitution.

Very true that the EU is basically a re-worked Articles. The key difference being that most of the countries of Europe has a long-standing history of being successful, independent nations. Their economies are still hard-wired that way and could revert back to it should the EU fall on its face. It would be painful, but definitely possible. Obviously, the US states were in a very different situation. Many had no stable currency, no framework of economic success, and the turmoil of the post-Revolution era was still weighing heavily on each of them.

I'd say a more similar hypothetical situation was if the EU formed in 1946. There is nearly a zero chance it would have been successful at that point. Hell, if you ask Greece the question right now, I think they'd make a fine case arguing that it isn't successful today.

Well actually i meant that as a support to your point.  I don't think the EU really works, the economic problems are a big issue, and otuside that whenever a nation finds something too distastefull they'll just duck out of it.