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richardhutnik on 25 May 2012
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Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
Well actually I take that back, I can think of one time protesting works. Though, only a specific very negative type case. Which is when the protesting takes on a sense of implied violence instead of actual belief differences.

EX, angry dudes standing outside an abortion clinic making teen mothers fear for their lives.

Though even then, not always, since well, Greece politicians sure avoided such threats and stuck with austerity, change instead needing to come via elections. (well because avoiding austerity is suicide.)

So thus, protests are pretty useless.  Actually coming up with solutions and doing them would be of greater help.

Well yeah, that was my conclusion too.

I just felt that saying no protest is effective as a bit too broad since say.  Since such a thing can have an effect on someone like a 14 year old girl who wants an abortion.

It's funny one interesting move in greece since the collapse has been a huge rise in direct to consumer produce sales... cutting out the middlemen.

It helps the consumer because they get fruits and vegetables at lower prices, even 1/2 to 3/4's off.  While it helps the farmers because they get there money up front right away when they need it. (Most retailers delay payments till the end of the season.

Works even better in the US if you can save up ahead of time and join a CSA..   I get Vegetables delivered to me that accounts for about 60-80% of the food my girlfriend and I eat in a week... for about $21 bucks a week.  Can't be a picky eater though.

Well I ended up probably just repeating what you were saying about protests being fairly useless.  It is just that the political system and media have turned the voice of protesting into a circus to entertain people, and so much media is out there, it is hard for anything to break through.  The Internet keeps producing more and more 15 minutes of fame at this point.  It is just real hard for anything to get going and be sustainable.  Everything also gets labelled.  When I was with Occupy, I saw elements of community coming out of the camps that offers a shot of getting things going.  The problem was that the camps shut down, and people didn't know what they wanted to do.  And then infighting andf so on, and things broke down.  Didn't help much either you had International Socialists show up, and welcomed, and then there was war against anyone who was Fascist.  The guys around Occupy failed to see how Communist and Socialist are about on par with Fascism in the mind of people.  

There was a shot of something, but it didn't hold long term, but did shift debate some.  Anyhow, with me, I figured I would stay away and see if they would figure out bothering to ask me why I was so I could tell them.  But people who don't want to listen won't listen or try to find out.